Happy Tampering Day

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-10-2025, 04:51 PM)Au165 Wrote: His run stop win % is the highest in the league last year. 

By who's reckoning? 

[007BengalsFan]

(03-10-2025, 04:51 PM)Au165 Wrote: His run stop win % is the highest in the league last year. 

Why is his PFF run grade a 45.0 if he is so good stopping the run.  Seems like there is a disconnect somewhere.

[BrownAssClown]

Need Packerbacker in here to give us the poop on Slaton.

[Au165]

(03-10-2025, 04:58 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Why is his PFF run grade a 45.0 if he is so good stopping the run.  Seems like there is a disconnect somewhere.

PFF and trench play are not things I ever, and will ever, trust. 

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-10-2025, 04:56 PM)Au165 Wrote: Didn't watch enough to know anything about them but there are differences in schemes. Two years ago they were a 3-4 with him playing a 0 technique I believe and last year they moved to a 4-3 with him playing a 1. From what I can see about their scheme they shoot gaps so my guess is part of their run defense issues did occur at the second level but would need to watch tape.

Good to know. Seems like he’s a better fit for a 4-3 then.

I don’t watch the packers much but the games I have watched they suck against the run. And the rankings back that up. This year they were better though.

I don’t know enough about this guy to make a good judgement. Hopefully he works out. Does seem like a steep price so he better be the answer.

Looks like DT isn’t a dire need in the bengals eyes come draft time with having invested in 2 FAs already and 2 draft picks last year.

Seems like edge is the most likely 1st pick.

[Au165]

(03-10-2025, 04:57 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: By who's reckoning? 

ESPN's advance stats team.

[coachmcneil71]

(03-10-2025, 04:38 PM)BrownAssClown Wrote: If Zeitler comes back I hope it's a 1 or 2 year deal only, he's 35.

I feel ya, and a 2 year deal is probably in line. Buys time to find an actual real replacement if he can come in and even play at an average level.

His average is better than most of our IOL when/if they have an above average day.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Here it is..

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41040723/2024-nfl-win-rates-top-teams-players-rankings

Well, I still think that is a big overpay, but if Nate likes it and that is an impressive stat, I will bump it to a C+.

NT: Jackson & Slaton
DT: Hill & Jenkins

Draft a pass rushing DT.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-10-2025, 05:02 PM)Au165 Wrote: PFF and trench play are not things I ever, and will ever, trust. 

Especially with Nose Tackles.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

I am seein stats elsewhere that the Packers allowed 1 YPC less with him on the field.

Like ya'll said, looks like a very good one dimensional run stuffer. If he can deliver that here, that is a good signing.

I fully retract my PFF based F.

[Bilbo Saggins]

Could've paid more for a player like Ford. They needed a nose to rotate in off the bench so doesn't seem terrible. But it doesn't seem optimal either. Did they fall in love with BJ Hill and kept him too long/overpaid? That seems like what happened. 

[coachmcneil71]

(03-10-2025, 04:43 PM)Wyche Wrote: LoL, I hear ya, but then again, my 12 yo daughter loves him.

You need to start a Friday or Saturday night podcast! Grab these youngins by the ears and enlighten them! 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(03-10-2025, 04:55 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Our two rookies graded out higher than Slaton.  Why even sign someone like that?  It leaves less money for a quality DE or RG.  Seems like a waste of money that could have been spent better towards another position.  Dont like the signing at all.

Why do people still take PFF seriously?

This is the 3rd time I've written this today: cutups and evals on Twitter show a VASTLY different player than these, "grades."

[Clark W Griswold]

What did the Texans get for Tunsil?
Surprised to see a competitive team trade their franchise LT

[007BengalsFan]

(03-10-2025, 05:12 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Why do people still take PFF seriously?

This is the 3rd time I've written this today: cutups and evals on Twitter show a VASTLY different player than these, "grades."

The same things were said last year in regards to Rankins. PFF didn't have him ranked all that high. People swore he was a great pass rusher because of his ESPN pass rush win rate. We saw firsthand he wasn't a great pass rusher.

[Bengalstripes9]

Would like to see them bring Ossai back or another pass rusher.

Would like to see a guard signed as well.

Need to beef up.

[*rfaulk34*]

(03-10-2025, 04:55 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Our two rookies graded out higher than Slaton.  Why even sign someone like that?  It leaves less money for a quality DE or RG.  Seems like a waste of money that could have been spent better towards another position.  Dont like the signing at all.

We gotta stop with the grades. 

Look at players efficiency numbers, not subjective grading crap. 

If you want to add the grades to a better metric, fine. Just don't hold it above anything else. 

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-10-2025, 05:25 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The same things were said last year in regards to Rankins. PFF didn't have him ranked all that high. People swore he was a great pass rusher because of his ESPN pass rush win rate. We saw firsthand he wasn't a great pass rusher.

Rankins was seen as a Hill type DT. They didn’t address NT because I assume lack of options in FA. Obviously having two rotational DTs as your starters was not a good plan. They have much more depth this year with the draft picks and these two signings.

Still could be better. They don’t have a dominant force like they had with Reader. But they should be better on paper.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-10-2025, 05:12 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Why do people still take PFF seriously?

This is the 3rd time I've written this today: cutups and evals on Twitter show a VASTLY different player than these, "grades."

And yet you take Twitter seriously? Seriously!?

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-10-2025, 05:30 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: And yet you take Twitter seriously? Seriously!?

They show highlights on X.

You can follow any source you want so the quality of your feed is dependent on the quality of the sources you follow. Not to mention they have comment sections and unbiased fact checking. Elon’s motto is ‘best idea wins’. Allow free speech and let the people talk it out. Whoever’s right will become obvious as the best ideas and most accurate sources win.