Happy Tampering Day

[NATI BENGALS]

I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

[Nepa]

(03-11-2025, 08:29 PM)Synric Wrote: Tee is an ironman compared to Teven Jenkins is probably the reason. 

yeah, I saw this in a 2023 news article: "Jenkins played six games in 2021 due to a back injury, missed four more games in 2022 due to injuries and this year has missed five games."


We already signed a year ago an olineman with injury problems in Trent Brown and he ended up lasting, I think, 3 games before he was out for the season. As someone said in the past, the number one ability is availability.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 08:25 PM)jj22 Wrote: Why wasn’t Teven apart of the Bears plans. I hate getting Olineman from worse lines.

His is definitely a huge dude. But, also has nt played in every game in a season yet. I guess the good news he did play in 14 in 2024 after missing 5 in 2023 and 4 in 2022. He missed 12 games the past 3 years so averaged only 13 games played a year.

I have concerns. He is 27 while Brown was over 30 so he is younger.

I agree if he was so good, why did Bears feel the need to trade for 2 starting guards? I hope we keep lookig unless we are bringing him in a Ciody Ford type contract to compete for a starting position.

https://www.nfl.com/players/teven-jenkins/stats/career

[samhain]

(03-11-2025, 06:23 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sounds good to me I like Ojulari better than Ossai.

Six of one, half dozen of the other.  Ojulari lucked into a lot of sacks to skew his total.  Maybe Ossai truly is ascending.  I'm not going to beat them up over that particular choice.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

Willis was drafted ahead of Tirfs by the Browns. I know fans think our FO is bad, but Browns are just plan horrid.

Can Willis play guard or are you thinking swing backup OT?

[*ochocincos*]

(03-11-2025, 12:18 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, I don't like this much. I like what Scott Peters has done and I like the way he talks but get a damn proven Guard instead 
of trying to make something out of nothing. Volson and Ford HAVE shown they are backups at best.

Where's Troy Blackburn to use the "We can't go to WalMart and buy one off the shelf" analogy?

[*ochocincos*]

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

[samhain]

(03-11-2025, 06:00 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest qe dont get to SB and Div. Championships without a solid defense, i wish someine remembers that soon

Agree completely.  

[samhain]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

He's got all of the physical traits.  Injuries are the issue.  He doesn't have serious ones, but he has them kind of a lot.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

His stats look good until you account for games missed. His season has never been 17 games.

[Bengalbug]

(03-11-2025, 06:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What do you mean Bengalbug?

Hendrickson has had how long to negotiate with other teams? It doesn’t seem like there is a report of another team offering any more/less than the bengals . I bet Trey comes back and either plays out this year, or re-signs for less than what bengals originally offered.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 09:23 PM)samhain Wrote: He's got all of the physical traits.  Injuries are the issue.  He doesn't have serious ones, but he has them kind of a lot.

One of the knocks on potentially signing Becton last year was the games he had missed due to injures.  He played 16 games in 2023 before the Eagles signed him but the two previous years, he had only played 1 game.  

I dont know about Jenkins.  Like Becton, he could be a bit of a risk but he was a high 2nd round draft pick that has played well.  If healthy, he is a good guard and would be a good signing.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

Exactly, and when you're shopping the "Great Value" brand at Wal Mart, Jenkins seems pretty good.

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-11-2025, 07:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They'd need restructured.

Well, if Chase gets 40 million, it won't be for this year. It's upcoming years.

(03-11-2025, 07:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You can't take a contract signed and assume the cap hit is applied equally over the term of the deal. You also can't use the maximun number as a basis. If. guy signs a 3 year maximum contract at 30 million, it does not mean the cap hit is 10 million year 1, 10 milion year 2 and 10 million year 3. The cap hit is based on the guaranteed cash in the deal. So in the example of 3 years at 30 million, if only 60% is guaranteed at signing, the true number is closer to 18 million for 3 years versus 30 million.

A great place to do research is Spotrac. Go to the site and look up John Jefferson's contract. You would think hs cap hit is 30 to 35 million in year one. It was 8.6 million in 2024 and then went to 15+ million in year 2. This was do to signing bonuses which the tea can choose how to allocate them, they could give a huge bonus and wait until year 2 or 3 to count it against the cap.

We will add cap space if we give Tee a long term contract. In 2025 his tag would cost the team 26.2 milion. But if we trade him, we gain 26.2 million. If we sign him to a 4 year deal, his cap hit in year one will go down to anywhere between 5 to 15 million. So if it is 5 million, we gain 21 in cap space.

Chase also we will gain cap space if he is given a long t erm contract. The Bengals have a ton of cap space in future years, over 230 million in 2026 alone so they cn easily afford to push the cap into later years for Tee and Chase. They can also restructure Joe B. and lower his cap hits. Derrick Carr just did a restructure for the Saints pushing his cap hit to later years.

I am not an expert, but others are. I learn by looking at contracts and calculating how they assign the cap hit.

Check out Jefferson's contract and how they applied the cap hit for a huge contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47616/justin-jefferson

Long post, but complicated ways teams stricture deals to afford players now.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space2

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2025

Thanks for the post. I understand the basics of varying up the cap hit year to year.

What I'm wondering is how much cap space we have, and some sort of example of how we could re-sign all three and make it work under the cap this year.

If I were to see an example of how it would work then it would be easy to see how much excess they have to spend if any.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 09:38 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Thanks for the post. I understand the basics of varying up the cap hit year to year.

What I'm wondering is how much cap space we have, and some sort of example of how we could re-sign all three and make it work under the cap this year.

If I were to see an example of how it would work then it would be easy to see how much excess they have to spend if any.

If they sign Higgins to a long term deal, they likely gain at least 16 million If they trade him, they gain 26 million so lets' say we sign him to a long deal.

Chase, if we extend him, we can gain 12 million.

Burrow, if we restructure him we can gain and 25 million.

So, we keep all 3 and we gain 53 million additional cap dollars for 2025.


We currently have around 28 million after all of the re-signing and adds in FA whch incudes our 2025 draft pick allocation.


28 + 53 = 81 million left to extend Trey (don't have to do it, he is under contract) and spend another 50 million to build the trenches at guard and at DE/Edge


We have a ton of money if we push to future years. But, how much will they be willing to push down the road?

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 09:33 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Hendrickson has had how long to negotiate with other teams?  It doesn’t seem like there is a report of another team offering any more/less than the bengals . I bet Trey comes back and either plays out this year, or re-signs for less than what bengals originally offered.

I made that same point in the Hendrickson thread.  The Bengals dont have the same cap space now as they did when they gave Hendrickson the offer.  He may have to take less now with the Bengals or less than what he is seeking from other teams.

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-11-2025, 09:47 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If they sign Higgins to a long term deal, they likely gain at least 16 million If they trade him, they gain 26 million so lets' say we sign him to a long deal.

Chase, if we extend him, we can gain 12 million.

Burrow, if we restructure him we can gain and 25 million.

So, we keep all 3 and we gain 53 million additional cap dollars for 2025.

We currently have around 28 million after all of the re-signing and adds in FA whch incudes our 2025 draft pick allocation.

28 + 53 = 81 million left to extend Trey (don't have to do it, he is under contract) and spend another 50 million to build the trenches at guard and at DE/Edge

We have a ton of money if we push to future years. But, how much will they be willing to push down the road?

I get what you're saying here. But I'm more looking to an example of how they would split up the cap hit on all 3 if they are on longterm deals.

Assume Chase gets 5 years at $43 mil per year. Higgins gets 4 at $30 mil per year. Assume Trey gets 4 years at $40 mil per year.

I believe those are roughly their going rates? So how do they use their 28 million in cap space to make that work?

What do their cap hits look like each year for each player to make it work?

The first thing I would want to know is what the total cap space they would have (this year) with their current deals being erased, then how the cap hit looks year to year for all 3.

[Essex Johnson]

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

Im hoping we sign KZ and let him retire where he started.. hard nose snap eater and great team player... perfect fit next couple years with Burrow

[Joelist]

Sign Zeitler and Teven Jenkins, then we can go
G in the draft in Rd 2 or 3 and have time to coach the kid up.

[NUGDUKWE]

(03-11-2025, 08:56 PM)Nepa Wrote: yeah, I saw this in a 2023 news article: "Jenkins played six games in 2021 due to a back injury, missed four more games in 2022 due to injuries and this year has missed five games."


We already signed a year ago an olineman with injury problems in Trent Brown and he ended up lasting, I think, 3 games before he was out for the season. As someone said in the past, the number one ability is availability.

For some reason I haven't heard of any interest in Zeitler. Probably due to his age but he's been dependable and still playing well. Offer him 2yrs in the range of 20ish mil and get him in the building. Not sure if that gets a deal done but he did just play 1yr for 6 mil so I would think it might.