Happy Tampering Day

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-19-2025, 04:09 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Im a bit surprised Za'darius Smith isnt signed.  The guy is a great pass rusher and good stopping the run.   He shouldnt cost too much money.   I would love to have him sign with the Bengals but Im not sure we have room if we are considering drafting a DE

Would love it if we brought in Za'darius Smith myself.

(03-19-2025, 04:27 PM)Tomcat Wrote: I was listening to Todd Haley earlier today on Sirius and they were talking about the Bengals and Haley made a comment about the Bengals needing to replace Cappa and he said "The Bengals already having Karras to replace Cappa". I don't know if it was just a slip or if the Bengals are actually thinking about this and using Lee at center and then grabbing a guard in the draft. Interesting take, if that's what the Bengals are thinking and why they have been so quiet in FA on the guard pursuit.

Has Karras played RG? I know he played LG in New England...

(03-19-2025, 04:41 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: True.  Rapien tweeted a list of guys the bengals could add to improve roster.  The usual guards were mentioned.  Calais Campbell.  Great player but I don’t the need now.  Another name that caught my eye was safety Julian Blackmon of the colts.

Matthew Judon is still out there if looking for a rotational rusher 

I like these thoughts as well, is Blackmon a FS or a SS?

Judon was leading the league in sacks a few years back, couldn't be worse than most of our Ends. Would love Calais in stripes, just doubt 
we sign a guy that old even if he is still good.

[*pally*]

After his illustrious 2 game career with the Bengals, Trent Brown is going to give it another shot with the Texans on a 1 yr $3 million contract. He played for the Texans OC in NE

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 05:59 PM)pally Wrote: After his illustrious 2 game career with the Bengals, Trent Brown is going to give it another shot with the Texans on a 1 yr $3 million contract.  He played for the Texans OC in NE

I'd have happily brought Brown back for $3 mil to be the swing tackle. He is better than Ford when healthy. By quite a bit. 

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(Yesterday, 05:59 PM)pally Wrote: After his illustrious 2 game career with the Bengals, Trent Brown is going to give it another shot with the Texans on a 1 yr $3 million contract.  He played for the Texans OC in NE

*3 game*

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 07:39 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: *3 game*

Man, I wish that I was just so massive and hard to get around that I could earn $3M just for showing up, after not completing over 80% of the job I was asked to do last year...

[pulses]

Well we signed Lucas Patrick 1 year deal for 2.1 million good deal on the cheap.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 07:57 PM)pulses Wrote: Well we signed Lucas Patrick 1 year deal for 2.1 million good deal on the cheap.

Let's hope that he's a beast..

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Well, on the FA front:

1) Guard. Hernandez cannot pass a physical yet and Scherff may be playing a waiting game.

Some vets will hold off until after the draft when some teams whiff on areas of need.

2) I like DE Smith and DT Campbell a ton, but then we are probably all full, roster wise. And it is an awfully good DL draft. They may be break glass in case of whiff guys as well.

For me, we still need:
1) 1 starter level guard, maybe 2
2) A TE1 who can block and catch
3) Interior pass rush, rotational guy
4) DE/OLB pass rush

That is still 4-5 holes. Not counting either S, a LB upgrade, CB1, or OT3.

TE is gonna have to be draft, if at all.

[pulses]

(Yesterday, 08:22 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Let's hope that he's a beast..

He'll be much better than Volson. But they really need to sign a RG than can start so we don't pigeonhole ourselves in the draft.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 08:34 PM)pulses Wrote: He'll be much better than Volson. But they really need to sign a RG than can start so we don't pigeonhole ourselves in the draft.

Hmm, he'll be slightly better than Volson. Additionally, he has a history of injuries.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 08:33 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Well, on the FA front:

1) Guard. Hernandez cannot pass a physical yet and Scherff may be playing a waiting game.

Some vets will hold off until after the draft when some teams whiff on areas of need.

2) I like DE Smith and DT Campbell a ton, but then we are probably all full, roster wise. And it is an awfully good DL draft. They may be break glass in case of whiff guys as well.

For me, we still need:
1) 1 starter level guard, maybe 2
2) A TE1 who can block and catch
3) Interior pass rush, rotational guy
4) DE/OLB pass rush

That is still 4-5 holes. Not counting either S, a LB upgrade, CB1, or OT3.

TE is gonna have to be draft, if at all.

I just don't see TE as a need at all. We have Gesicki (yes he is a stud ass catching TE), Sample a solid blocker, Hudson a lesser version of Gesicki) and our 6th round pick from 2024.

I agree on guard
Interior pass rush or an Edge rusher, we don't need. both.
I think we need a safety, our safties are a weak link
LB to me is not a major need, we have Pratt and Wilson

I think you have a lot of nice to have versus needed listed.

[SunsetBengal]

(Yesterday, 08:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree on guard
Interior pass rush or an Edge rusher, we don't need. both.
I think we need a safety, our safties are a weak link
LB to me is not a major need, we have Pratt and Wilson.

I pretty much agree with your take. I would prioritize it as Safety, Guard, Edge, LB. Yes, I understand that you think that we're fine with Wilson and Pratt, but Golden likes to run 4-3 base more than Nickle. So, Pratt is not going to be a great fit, but he'll do for the first year. I can see Golden picking LBs that meet his fit.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 08:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I just don't see TE as a need at all. We have Gesicki (yes he is a stud ass catching TE), Sample a solid blocker, Hudson a lesser version of Gesicki) and our 6th round pick from 2024.

I agree on guard
Interior pass rush or an Edge rusher, we don't need. both.
I think we need a safety, our safties are a weak link
LB to me is not a major need, we have Pratt and Wilson

I think you have a lot of nice to have versus needed listed.

The issue with TE is all our guys are one dimensional, except for All, who is likely out for the year. The issue isn't so much that they are not good at what they do. It is that what they do is too limited. 

Sample and Geandy are good blockers. Gesicki & Hudson aren't really TE's at all, more like big slot receivers. Which is good, because Yoshi was 98th/98 WRs at PFF and Chuck Sizzle, Williams, and Burton are worse.

Anywho, the issue is that the personnel grouping gives away the play. You see Grandy or Sample, it's a run (unless Sample is at H-back). If you see Gesicki or Hudson, it is a pass. With All in there, you could not tell. 

Though I will admit, the team seems to agree with you.Though the TE FA class was terrible. Most of the TEs in the draft are the pass catching type. But Warren, Ferguson, or the kid from ND would help.

And we will certainly ink another DT/3T. We only have 4 under contract and all are better vs the run than pass rush. I guess you could kick a DE inside to provide pressure. Sample has done in the past. Ossai too. But we rotate 4 DTs regularly. There needs to be some cover. 

Still, the needs vs nice to have is a good point. 

Need: 1 starting G

Everything else is more of a "nice to have" categoty. Aside from pass rush, we need at least 1, no matter from where it comes: DE, OLB, LB, DT. But I lean towards 2, maybe even 3. 

We shall see.The draft is pretty fluid..

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 08:55 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I just don't see TE as a need at all. We have Gesicki (yes he is a stud ass catching TE), Sample a solid blocker, Hudson a lesser version of Gesicki) and our 6th round pick from 2024.

I agree on guard
Interior pass rush or an Edge rusher, we don't need. both.
I think we need a safety, our safties are a weak link
LB to me is not a major need, we have Pratt and Wilson

I think you have a lot of nice to have versus needed listed.

I think we need both 3T and DE. 

Everything else I agree with. 

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 09:48 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: We shall see.The draft is pretty fluid..

6 picks just isn’t feeling like enough. But overall your needs are legit. 

Just need to pick your top 6 

[pulses]

(Yesterday, 08:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Hmm, he'll be slightly better than Volson. Additionally, he has a history of injuries.

This guy has been mid 60s and didnt give up a sack last year....Volson is not anywhere close to that.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 09:51 PM)jj22 Wrote: 6 picks just isn’t feeling like enough. But overall your needs are legit. 

Just need to pick your top 6 

Yeah. I think I can say definitively I'd try for 2-3 more FA signings. 1 at G, and 1-2 on D. G pre-draft and the 1-2 on D depending on what I miss in the draft, if possible.

1) Guard. I'd try to sign a starter level player in FA before the draft. 
2) Pass rush from Edge/DE/OLB/LB. 1 or 2.
3) Pass rush from interior. 
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Those are my top 3. #2 is most probably the draft, but I like Smith as a FA. #3 is most likely draft, but if I whiff on DT types in Rd1-2, othervoptions often seem better later, so I'd make a run at Campbell later, if he us still available. 

4) Another G in the draft. 
5) Safety. 
6) An in-line TE. 

But I won't reach. Other than G, I can live with what we have now as starters. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 07:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Man, I wish that I was just so massive and hard to get around that I could earn $3M just for showing up, after not completing over 80% of the job I was asked to do last year...

You can, but we would also have tear up your knee. 

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 10:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Yeah. I think I can say definitively I'd try for 2-3 more FA signings. 1 at G, and 1-2 on D. G pre-draft and the 1-2 on D depending on what I miss in the draft, if possible.

1) Guard. I'd try to sign a starter level player in FA before the draft. 
2) Pass rush from Edge/DE/OLB/LB. 1 or 2.
3) Pass rush from interior. 
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Those are my top 3. #2 is most probably the draft, but I like Smith as a FA. #3 is most likely draft, but if I whiff on DT types in Rd1-2, othervoptions often seem better later, so I'd make a run at Campbell later, if he us still available. 

4) Another G in the draft. 
5) Safety. 
6) An in-line TE. 

But I won't reach. Other than G, I can live with what we have now as starters. 

What excites you about our 2 starting safeties?

In my opinion, they are both average at best on a very bad defense.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(Yesterday, 10:48 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: What excites you about our 2 starting safeties?

In my opinion, they are both average at best on a very bad defense.

Nothing. Where did I say I was excited about either? I never said anything of the sort.

But both Stone and Battle graded out well 2 years ago, and got better as the year went on last year. 

I just think guard and more pass rush are more important. I had safety next on my list. 

I think if we have 1 good guard and one average one, the offense can be truly dominant. Ice games in the 4th instead of being mediocre (15th in pts percdrive last year in the 4th). Complete the job there and reap the rewards. Throw in a legit TE1 or another WR beyond Tee/Chase and we'd be virtually unstoppable. 

The D needs help at all 3 levels. All 4 position groups. It is a longer process. Strengthening one without the others won't have the same impact as completing the puzzle on O. But if I have to start somewhere, I want to start up front. Run stop and pass rush. That has more trickle down effect than building the secondary or LBs. If you cannot stop the run or get to the QB, how good your DBs are does not matter a ton.