Lucas Patrick

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Just to recap, I get passing on Jenkins and/or Hernandez due to injury concerns.

But then you sign a guy who isn't as good.....who has injury concerns.

We are so insular. We only sign guys with 1 degree of separation.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-20-2025, 09:41 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: correct. I thought it was universally agreed upon that cat poop is more preferable to dog poop. From an outdoors perspective. 

Yes I am having this conversation

Cat poop is generally worse smelling than dog poop, at least in my experiences.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

My hope is that Patrick is being brought in to be a bridge starter or high end backup.

He is better than Volson and more versatile. And better than Ford. And his presence would not stop us from drafting a guard high or signing another.

If we do one/both, Volson could be cut.

LT: OBJ
LG: High pick (Jackson)
C: Karras
RG: FA (Scherff/Hernandez/Risner)
RT: Mims
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OT3: ????
OG3/C2: Patrick
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OT4/G4: Ford
C3/G5/OT5: Lee
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[phil413]

(03-20-2025, 09:44 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Cat poop is generally worse smelling than dog poop, at least in my experiences.

Yeah chicken poop on a hot day would be like the year Cappa had.  At least we know there will be no chicken poop.  Maybe hog poop if they throw a rookie in there too early. 

[Frank Booth]

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Human poop is the worst by far.

[THE PISTONS]

(03-20-2025, 09:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Just to recap, I get passing on Jenkins and/or Hernandez due to injury concerns.

But then you sign a guy who isn't as good.....who has injury concerns.

We are so insular. We only sign guys with 1 degree of separation.

We haven't signed this guy. He's visiting.

But, look at all the injuries we have. This guy can play 3 spots. Would be perfect fit as a backup.

[Soonerpeace]

(03-20-2025, 10:14 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: My hope is that Patrick is being brought in to be a bridge starter or high end backup.

He is better than Volson and more versatile. And better than Ford. And his presence would not stop us from drafting a guard high or signing another.

If we do one/both, Volson could be cut.

LT: OBJ
LG: High pick (Jackson)
C: Karras
RG: FA (Scherff/Hernandez/Risner)
RT: Mims
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OT3: ????
OG3/C2: Patrick
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OT4/G4: Ford
C3/G5/OT5: Lee
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How much for Patrick and one of your projected 3 FA’s for RG? 

[Luvnit2]

(03-20-2025, 10:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We haven't signed this guy. He's visiting.

But, look at all the injuries we have. This guy can play 3 spots. Would be perfect fit as a backup.

He looks like playing part time he has bigger injury issues than Jenkins.

I agree with anothe poster, why not pursue Jenkins and Hernandez (not yet at least) and pursue a worse IOL with an injury history and some bad years as well. He is also 31 going on 32. I have no clue somerimes the thought process our FO has when drafting or adding IOL.

[Luvnit2]

(03-20-2025, 11:07 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: How much for Patrick and one of your projected 3 FA’s for RG? 

I think every Bengals fan is thinking why not make one of those 3 the priority first and then go find the IOL with versatility anf experience, but with baggage.

Why is he the priority at this point in FA?

Is the FO trying to put lipstick on a pig? I hope not.

[sandwedge]

(03-20-2025, 05:33 PM)samhain Wrote: Maybe the Bengals have a vision for this guy.  Maybe they see something that no other team in the league does.  Maybe he goes on to be a steady presence on the line for much of the Burrow era.  

I find it much more likely they this is another example of them caring little about the position and finding a cheap body to throw at it.  

If Joe Burrow ever benefits from good guard play in his career it will likely be by complete accident.  The team has made strides in how it operates, but this particular viewpoint is annoying as shit.  Don't pay guards, don't pay safeties.  It never changes.

The bad part is, they are shaving years off of the career of the best player in franchise history by trotting these scrubs out there.  Defenses knew Volson and Cappa were exposed last year and they were targeted heavily.  If Joe wasn't Houdini, things could have been even uglier.  One day Father Time is going to limit his escapability and these scrub guards are going to cost him more than just a few ugly hits.

They haven't even signed the guy, don't get your blood pressure up.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(03-20-2025, 08:51 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I hope we don't wait for draft. We have snough money invested of offense and our defense is very very bad.

For both positions, no we shouldn't: we can draft a starter for years to come at RG in this draft though and I would rather pay a bit more to get a good G for LG, then take RG of the future in this draft.

[Joelist]

If they sign Patrick he is along with Ford the depth at Guard. Then I expect they sign another vet to be one of the starters and we go G probably in Rd2 for the other one.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-20-2025, 11:07 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: How much for Patrick and one of your projected 3 FA’s for RG? 

Depends. If I was going that route, I'd also cut Volson. I mean, a guy who can only play one spit is fine as a starter, but as a backup? 

IDK, $3-$5 mil APY range for Patrick, max. A bit more for Scherff or Hernandez (who supposedly cannot pass a physical atm) or Risner. 

Last year cap hit:
Patrick: $1.347 mil (IR)
Risner: $2.41 mil (IR) 
Hernandez: $5.33 mil (IR) 
Scherff: $11.567 mil

I am not high on Ratledge or Fairchild out of GA. 

If I can get Patrick for what Volson makes ($3.8 mil), then that is a huge win. If I can get one of the others for $5-$7 mil, I will do it. Both for $10 would be great. I do not mind paying a bit more for quality OL depth if Patrick ends up a backup.

I am sure Patrick will want a chance to start. Barring us drafting a LG high, he'll have it. 

[pulses]

(03-20-2025, 11:07 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: How much for Patrick and one of your projected 3 FA’s for RG? 

Considering he signed last year for around 1.4 million and Spotrac currently has him valued at 2 million I'd say it'll be cheap and less than the 3.8 that Volson is making IMO.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(03-20-2025, 11:18 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: For both positions, no we shouldn't: we can draft a starter for years to come at RG in this draft though and I would rather pay a bit more to get a good G for LG, then take RG of the future in this draft.

Strangely enough, I think we have more spots that need urgent upgrades on O (LG, RG, TE, WR3) than D (DE2, S, pass rushing DT). 

Hill & Slaton will start, so the DT likely will not be a starter. And I could live with Ossai, Pratt, Stone, & Battle starting more than Vilson, Ford, and D. Sample. 

Weakest starters, IMHO
1. RG: Ford 
2. LG: Volson 
3. TE: D. Sample 
4. PK: McPherson
5. SS: Battle
6. FS: Stone 
7. DE2: Ossai 
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[Essex Johnson]

(03-20-2025, 09:44 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Just to recap, I get passing on Jenkins and/or Hernandez due to injury concerns.

But then you sign a guy who isn't as good.....who has injury concerns.

We are so insular. We only sign guys with 1 degree of separation.

Well the difference is you have a lower risk because he is less $$, 

[Luvnit2]

(03-20-2025, 11:18 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: For both positions, no we shouldn't: we can draft a starter for years to come at RG in this draft though and I would rather pay a bit more to get a good G for LG, then take RG of the future in this draft.

I am curious. What guard/OT who can play huard should we target?

Round 1 - 
Round 2- 
Round 3 -

[Whatever]

(03-20-2025, 11:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: He looks like playing part time he has bigger injury issues than Jenkins.

I agree with anothe poster, why not pursue Jenkins and Hernandez (not yet at least) and pursue a worse IOL with an injury history and some bad years as well. He is also 31 going on 32. I have no clue somerimes the thought process our FO has when drafting or adding IOL.

Patrick's previous deal was 1 year, $1.37 mil, that's why.  He may be an injury risk and not as good, but if he gets hurt, you're not out a significant amount of cap room, either.  

[Gohards]

(03-20-2025, 10:32 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Human poop is the worst by far.

Depends.

Joe Burrows poop > rabbit poop > cat poop > dog poop > Cordell Volsons poop > Alex Cappas poop