Shemar Stewart @ 17 ?

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(03-29-2025, 01:30 PM)Whatever Wrote: When you have a guy with Stewart's athletic profile and lack of production, it's troubling.

I mean, some will point to pressures, but why can't he finish?  With his ability there's no good reason why he can't.  That run stop rate points to a complete lack of effort.  Kid doesn't have the "want to" to finish plays, either putting in that extra effort on the field or in practice so he CAN finish.  He doesn't care enough about that.  It doesn't mean enough to him.  

He just feels like the type of guy that doesn't love the game and sees it as a means to an end.  He cruises on his athletic ability, knows he'll be a first round pick because some teams will sell themselves on the idea that they can "fix" or "motivate" him, and he'll be out of the league in a few years having "earned" more than enough money to retire comfortably.  

This is exactly the type of player you stay away from, ala Jackson Carman. Tons of talent, but not the want to be great, nor the love of the game.

[BoomerFan]

On the one hand, there must be a reason he keeps falling to us in mocks. Like, the people who make the sites or who are picking do not believe in the mock boards that others have put up where he is supposedly 11th overall. It definitely is reminiscent of Myles Murphy.

It'd be nice it the Bengals could trade down in the first a bit, but if they can't they might take him. One upside I could see is that while one Myles Murphy may not be productive for you, two might be. Think about it. Teams game plan for the type of player they face. They might be able to deal with one super-athletic pass rusher who isn't very skilled but two? Basically you might be able to overload them with a very athletic defensive front. And when I looked at the Twitter video posted in this thread what I noticed is a lot of those plays were moving away from Shemar. So even though he didn't get there he was having an impact.

Or maybe that is just copium from me. I probably would try to avoid taking him. Find the first round player that excites you for what they add to their position group. As long as you aren't reaching, that is a recipe for success. Shemar feels like a choice where we think we are getting value but maybe aren't.

[jj22]

If we didn’t have Murphy who was and still is young, but we def don’t need two Murphy. We need a rusher with a higher floor.

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(03-28-2025, 10:37 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Production isn't end all, be all (just like athletic profile isn't either), but he had NO production, essentially.

IMO, that's alarming.


So I see he planted the LT on his ass a few times, good good.

Otherwise, he looks like Brandon Thompson to me (not in terms of position or physical look, obviously): beats his guy every time, but 49/50 times is not in the play.

I loved seeing Thompson's first step and him getting into the backfield all the time, but he was out of the play almost every time and the same in the clips of Stewart you showed: of those snaps, how many plays did he actually make or affect? 3 at best?

I'm not sold.

I'd much rather take Scourton (though not at 17. Not sure he drops to 49 either).

He collected 2 pressure and a run stop in that clip (stats) and affected 2 more run plays. That doesn't count almost getting to Nussmiers arm on that quick pass. Shemar Stewart is always in the backfield and it affects the plays/play calling. There's not alot of long developing plays against the Texas A&M defense. He needs to finish while he's in thr back field that is not in question but there isn't alot of Defensive Ends that can play both the run and pass every in this draft.


I have Shemar Stewart, Walter Nolen, Kenneth Grant, Mykel Williams, Nick Emmanwori all in the same bucket. High End athletes with raw inconsistent tape.