Welcome Shamar Stewart

[J24]

(Yesterday, 04:43 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I'd love to know how his pressure rate his senior year compared to Murphys his senior year.

Win rate for Stewart was 22℅ on true pass sets vs 14% for Murphy.

[jungle93]

(Yesterday, 04:04 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm dumping some video and clips into the "Shemar Stewart @ 17" thread in the Draft Section.

Link: https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-40267-post-1587765.html#pid1587765

He looks like an absolute beast and major disruptor. He's moving so fast he needs to get coached up on settling down at the point of attack. I think that's very coachable. It also looked like he had no help in the pass rush. QB often just ran the other way. I don't love the lack of "production" in college, but calling him a bust right now is ridiculous. 

[THE PISTONS]

There are no sure picks in a draft. I'm sure Clowney would be viewed as a sure pick.

He's had an above average to good career, but not wildly successful. He's played 11 years. 9 or 9.5 sacks 4 times. 6 once. 5.5 once. 4.5 once. 3 once. 2 once. 0 twice.

[THE PISTONS]

Another way to look at this is that IF Stewart had 8 sacks last year...he's likely a Top 5 pick.

[Frank Booth]

(Yesterday, 04:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: There are no sure picks in a draft. I'm sure Clowney would be viewed as a sure pick.

He's had an above average to good career, but not wildly successful. He's played 11 years.  9 or 9.5 sacks 4 times. 6 once. 5.5 once. 4.5 once. 3 once. 2 once. 0 twice.

you say this ignoring the fact he's been an elite run defender. You'd take 9 sacks + elite run defense all day. Maybe with the 1st overall pick you'd rather have an elite pass rusher with average run defense, but still.

[*bfine32*]

(Yesterday, 02:07 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: It’s a duke tobin pick like always. I’m sick of this blaming al golden nonsense already

That's the thing. Many of us don't think there is anyone to 'blame", so may applaud the pick

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 04:55 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: you say this ignoring the fact he's been an elite run defender. You'd take 9 sacks + elite run defense all day. Maybe with the 1st overall pick you'd rather have an elite pass rusher with average run defense, but still.

Clowney was supposed to be a can't miss pick at #1 overall. He was the #1 positional pick drafted where QB's ae normally taken in the NFL.

I think Stewart will be a better run defender than Hubbard based on his video and also college rankings. If he does get 8-10 sacks by year 2 or 3 and is also an elite run defender, he is probably an all pro.

[pulses]

(Yesterday, 02:19 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Unless they're squabbling over signing bonus and how much $$$ he gets up front. 

Trey probably would love $32M a  year...but he'd love $80M up front guaranteed. 

He's not gonna get that kinda cash upfront from us after our 2 big signings and his age....other teams might but we won't

[Stewy]

(Yesterday, 04:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: There are no sure picks in a draft. I'm sure Clowney would be viewed as a sure pick.

He's had an above average to good career, but not wildly successful. He's played 11 years.  9 or 9.5 sacks 4 times. 6 once. 5.5 once. 4.5 once. 3 once. 2 once. 0 twice.

I watched clowney a lot since he was drafted by the Texans.  He had an ego the size of Texas and I always questioned his heart and work ethic.

With that said, this has got to be one of my favorite plays of all time in college football

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=nipUMmd4Pk0&t=0s&ab_channel=SFCocking

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 04:50 PM)jungle93 Wrote: He looks like an absolute beast and major disruptor. He's moving so fast he needs to get coached up on settling down at the point of attack. I think that's very coachable. It also looked like he had no help in the pass rush. QB often just ran the other way. I don't love the lack of "production" in college, but calling him a bust right now is ridiculous. 

Agree, plus Stewart is already so good at setting the edge in the run game I think he could start and help right away in this area and we 
could let Ossai rush the passer on passing downs to begin with. Murphy was bad last year setting the edge. But like you said, even when 
rushing the passer Stewart is very disruptive and the QB often ran out of the pocket trying to avoid the sack.

Now Murphy, we could start labeling as a bust this season if he doesn't show up and play at least decent. Stewart might make this tough
for him though, we certainly have a lot more competition at End this year and shouldn't be starting a hurt Hubbard over these guys.

[Sled21]

NFL QBs are not going to hold the ball with him coming in from one side and Hendrickson coming in from the other. Sack or not, Brad is correct, they will be rushing throws or throwing it away. He's a huge man with great speed, and not a lot of professional QB's are going to want him hitting them.

[*bfine32*]

FWIW, I dreaded the pick:
https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-40238.html

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 03:50 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think Syric has provided some tape on him. I am just not sure which thread.

It is in the Draft Forum in the "Shemar Stewart at 17" thread. Some good stuff too. Made me open my eyes especially when he was dominating 
the guy we want in the 2nd round today Savaiinaea in the Senior Bowl. He was dominating everybody in the Senior Bowl though it looked like.

[Sled21]

Well some guy named Joe told him to go get some sacks.....

[TJ528]

(Yesterday, 05:06 PM)pulses Wrote: He's not gonna get that kinda cash upfront from us after our 2 big signings and his age....other teams might but we won't

Which is why i said there's rumors the Bengals offered $32M a year....but they arent going to give him $80M upfront of that contract.  Not a chance.  

I'm guessing that's the hang up if they offered him $32M. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 05:10 PM)Sled21 Wrote: NFL QBs are not going to hold the ball with him coming in from one side and Hendrickson coming in from the other. Sack or not, Brad is correct, they will be rushing throws or throwing it away. He's a huge man with great speed, and not a lot of professional QB's are going to want him hitting them.

Yeah, this guy comes at the QB fast and relentless. Crazy fast first step.

[WeezyBengal]

Im actually starting to buy into this pick.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 05:22 PM)TJ528 Wrote: Which is why i said there's rumors the Bengals offered $32M a year....but they arent going to give him $80M upfront of that contract.  Not a chance.  

I'm guessing that's the hang up if they offered him $32M. 

It will be different, but Trey doesn't have a choice, just take the increase in dough. He is only making 16 mil this year and he isn't getting any 
younger. I don't think it will be long and Trey will sign the increase, we just don't know the details. Like you guy's say, it won't be a ton of up 
front money now though.

[Frank Booth]

I think I LOVE this pick!

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 05:29 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think I LOVE this pick!

You are just rank with sarcasm.