Trey Hendrickson Update

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(Yesterday, 11:54 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: No doubt Steelers who will start a 41 year old QB who turns 42 in December did a nice job getting Watt signed. My thoughts are he was signed on July 17 so to say no drama is not the entire truth. They also just signed their starting QB recently which was also drama.

Let's see if the Bengals sign Trey in the coming weeks or not. The drama created is by fans. The Bengals FO looks at it as a business decision. I am not sure how many 100 million contracts you have given out, but it is a ton of money. They have a value assigned to him, my guess is they will stay within 15% of the value. If Trey wants more, he may be sitting out 2025 which many would not blame him. However, if Trey puts his business hate on, losing 16 million + millions in fines may not be a smart business decision for him long term because Bengals own his rights for nect 3 years if they so desire.

I want him signed, but the door swings both ways, he is under contract in 2025 and took a nice signing bonus in 2022 to extend his deal. I think he deserves an extension, but it is not my money.

As for Watt, time will tell if father time or injury catched up to him the next 4 years and especially the next 3 years. Will he play at a level to earn that money is yet TBD, he may or he may blow out his knee week 1 and the contract be a D. Watson deal in the end. One thing I do see, he has a lot of tread on the tires. His brother was great also until he wasn't his last couple of years.
https://www.nfl.com/news/cardinals-de-j-j-watt-explains-decision-to-retire-at-end-of-2022-i-ve-known-for-

JJ was 33 when he retired and look it up, he went from great to average very quickly.

So jury still out on if Steeler's signing TJ to a 3 year extension was a great, good or bad move.

Let's revist at end of 2026 season for a true evaluation of his price and production.

It was a bad business decision again then. Waiting for others to sign just makes the price go up.

It's not my money, but I would of tried and signed all these guys before others set the market.

Now Trey will be nearly impossible to sign after the Twatt extension. 

Just dumb, sorry. I am as positive of a poster as there is, but it is what it is.

[ERIC1]

(5 hours ago)Nately120 Wrote: He has cards in the sense that if he sits out our billion dollar offense is likely to be in breach of keeping up with the other team's rapid scoring. 

Trey played last year.,defense stunk

[*rfaulk34*]

(3 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It was a bad business decision again then. Waiting for others to sign just makes the price go up.

It's not my money, but I would of tried and signed all these guys before others set the market.

Now Trey will be nearly impossible to sign after the Twatt extension. 

Just dumb, sorry. I am as positive of a poster as there is, but it is what it is.

Can you imagine this team with Jessie Bates still on it and Tee, Ja'Marr and Trey all signed to lower contracts, for multiple years, that would allow the Bengals to sign better free agents that would have shored up other positions, like the Oline?

All of it realistically could have been done. 100%. No problem. 

[ERIC1]

(3 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It was a bad business decision again then. Waiting for others to sign just makes the price go up.

It's not my money, but I would of tried and signed all these guys before others set the market.

Now Trey will be nearly impossible to sign after the Twatt extension. 

Just dumb, sorry. I am as positive of a poster as there is, but it is what it is.

So the brown family wants a player to honor his contract extension and that makes them stupid ..you are correct it is not your money

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(3 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: Can you imagine this team with Jessie Bates still on it and Tee, Ja'Marr and Trey all signed to lower contracts, for multiple years, that would allow the Bengals to sign better free agents that would have shored up other positions, like the Oline?

All of it realistically could have been done. 100%. No problem. 

I can, it is sad they let it go this route. We would be legitimately a SB contender going into last year and even more so this year. These people
are always late to the party and it is costing them all the Super Bowlz. Sucks man.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(3 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: So the brown family wants a player to honor his contract extension and that makes them stupid ..you are correct it is not your money

Did Trey get his extension this Offseason or am I missing something?

The FO said they were going to extend him and still haven't last I heard...

If it was my money I would be smarter with it and pay my best players before they got more expensive and others set the market.

[NUGDUKWE]

(4 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: One problem, Bengals did honor the contract and pay 100% of the contract guarantee. So, why would fans complain?

The Bengals give out the lowest guaranteed money in the league. But if that's our bar of when said contract is completed that's fine. Trey I'm sure is well past his low guaranteed money so that settles it. He's free to renegotiate and we as fans should totally support him.

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It was a bad business decision again then. Waiting for others to sign just makes the price go up.

It's not my money, but I would of tried and signed all these guys before others set the market.

Now Trey will be nearly impossible to sign after the Twatt extension. 

Just dumb, sorry. I am as positive of a poster as there is, but it is what it is.

So you agree it is bad when Bengals extended Trey at a lower price too?

Sorry, that would just be plain hypocritical stance if you think that way.

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote:
The Bengals give out the lowest guaranteed money in the league. But if that's our bar of when said contract is completed that's fine. Trey I'm sure is well past his low guaranteed money so that settles it. He's free to renegotiate and we as fans should totally support him.

Can you provide a link proving the bolded comment or are you just throwng out crap to make your case look better?

Lowest means 32nd, so please provide the proof.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(2 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you agree it is bad when Bengals extended Trey at a lower price too?

Sorry, that would just be plain hypocritical stance if you think that way.

Low effort.

It's bad when you extend a guy for just 1 year and tell him "play well and next year we'll take care of you" he then puts up 17.5 sacks and says "well?" and then you go again "for real this time play well again and next year we'll take care of you" and then he puts up another 17.5 sack, looks at you waiting for you to take care of him like you've said you would the last two years, and the DE market explodes and you only want to pay two years ago prices today.

[Luvnit2]

(3 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Did Trey get his extension this Offseason or am I missing something?

The FO said they were going to extend him and still haven't last I heard...

If it was my money I would be smarter with it and pay my best players before they got more expensive and others set the market.

Ot they have already made a business decision to not extend Trey. You guys forget the Bengals have him under contract so don't have to cave to his demands. They can tell him to take a hike and he is stuck, stuck in 2025, 2026 and 2027 if Bengals choose to honor his 2025 contract and then franchise him 2x.

I want him signed, but I think team still has the leverage. Does he really want to get 50K a day and not get paid his 2025 salary at 30 years old to rebel and make a point? If he does, he may never recoup any money lost if Bengals say no new deal in 2025 or extension.

We know he was offered an extension, he said no so he would lose that as well.

[Luvnit2]

(2 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Low effort.

It's bad when you extend a guy for just 1 year and tell him "play well and next year we'll take care of you" he then puts up 17.5 sacks and says "well?" and then you go again "for real this time play well again and next year we'll take care of you" and then he puts up another 17.5 sack, looks at you waiting for you to take care of him like you've said you would the last two years, and the DE market explodes and you only want to pay two years ago prices today.

Wrong

Bengals extended him for 2 years in 2022 through 2025, not one year. Then he asked for another extension last year, we said no. Bengals then offered him an extension in 2025, Trey said no.

Yet, fans say the FO has created all of the drama. I say just the opposite.

[QueenCity]

I agree it could be as simple as the Bengals FO now view Trey as an expiring contract.

There is no longer a deal on the table unless Trey is willing to come down on his offer.

Shame that the Bengals would rather have an expiring than a trade piece.

[ERIC1]

(3 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I can, it is sad they let it go this route. We would be legitimately a SB contender going into last year and even more so this year. These people
are always late to the party and it is costing them all the Super Bowlz. Sucks man.

No nate..burrow ..and a host of other injured starting players prevented us from a playoff run the past two years

[ERIC1]

(2 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Wrong

Bengals extended him for 2 years in 2022 through 2025, not one year. Then he asked for nother extension last year, we said no. Bengals then offered him an extension in 2025, Trey said no.

Yet, fans say the FO has created all of the drama. I say just the opposite.

1000%

[BoomerFan]

(2 hours ago)QueenCity Wrote: I agree it could be as simple as the Bengals FO now view Trey as an expiring contract.

There is no longer a deal on the table unless Trey is willing to come down on his offer.

Shame that the Bengals would rather have an expiring than a trade piece.

Not to mention, they could tag him next year if they wanted. Of course Watt's deal does increase the tag price somewhat. And I hope they don't tag him...at some point you gotta let someone go if they don't want to be here. 

[ERIC1]

(3 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: The Bengals give out the lowest guaranteed money in the league. But if that's our bar of when said contract is completed that's fine. Trey I'm sure is well past his low guaranteed money so that settles it. He's free to renegotiate and we as fans should totally support him.

Keep making stuff up..the bengals dont give the lowest guaranteed money in the league..and I as fan..say honor your damn contract

[Luvnit2]

(2 hours ago)BoomerFan Wrote: Not to mention, they could tag him next year if they wanted. Of course Watt's deal does increase the tag price somewhat. And I hope they don't tag him...at some point you gotta let someone go if they don't want to be here. 

I try to be understanding, but some fans (not you) have no sense of business and let their emotions guide them. I have never said Bengals handled this well, nor I have said Trey handled it well. The fact is he is under contract and it is him who turned down an offer.

Our fans are the real drama queens. I don't see our players or coaches tanking the season if Trey chooses to sit out a portion of 2025.

Watt is classified as an edge rusher, Trey a DE so don't think he has an impact on Trey's tag in 2026.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(2 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: So you agree it is bad when Bengals extended Trey at a lower price too?

Sorry, that would just be plain hypocritical stance if you think that way.

No, Trey agreed to it so it was all fine with me.

(2 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Ot they have already made a business decision to not extend Trey. You guys forget the Bengals have him under contract so don't have to cave to his demands. They can tell him to take a hike and he is stuck, stuck in 2025, 2026 and 2027 if Bengals choose to honor his 2025 contract and then franchise him 2x.

I want him signed, but I think team still has the leverage. Does he really want to get 50K a day and not get paid his 2025 salary at 30 years old to rebel and make a point? If he does, he may never recoup any money lost if Bengals say no new deal in 2025 or extension.

We know he was offered an extension, he said no so he would lose that as well.

Not really smart as Trey is our only great pass rusher. I know Trey is under contract and agree the team has the leverage.

Trey should of signed the extension offered. Just saying if they got this done sooner before Twatt they would of saved money if that is all they
are about. The FO said they would extend Trey this Offseason, though, so if they changed their minds and made a business decision not to 
extend him that is hypocritical and not good for future communications for other players who play their butts off and are tops at their positions.

(2 hours ago)ERIC1 Wrote: No nate..burrow ..and a host of other injured starting players prevented us from a playoff run the past two years

It was injury to a point, especially when Burrow went down with the wrist injury a couple years ago. But if we had Jesse Bates still in the fold
we would be much better on Defense, letting him go was a big mistake looking back. Waiting to sign Ja'Marr cost the team a ton of money after
he won the triple crown last year. Waiting to extend Trey is costing them money unless they don't want to extend him at all which could cost the
team without another proven pass rusher.

[Luvnit2]

Looking at the Watt contract, they actually lowered his base in 2025 by 17 million creating more cap space this year. But then in 2026 and 2027, he has a cap hit of 42 million. Year 4 has zero guaranteed money.

So in essence, really a 90 million extension.

123 - 33 million not guaranteed in 2028.