Trey Hendrickson Update

[Stewy]

(10 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I wonder if Joe Burrow would play for 28 million a year. Maybe we should cut all the players that think they're value is high and only sign guys that are willing to play for the minimum. I'm sure our coaches and FO will really get them to play beyond they're abilities. Gotta love someone complaining about whining by whining about it.

Ironically says the complainer complaining about the whiner.

[Sled21]

(10 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I wonder if Joe Burrow would play for 28 million a year. Maybe we should cut all the players that think they're value is high and only sign guys that are willing to play for the minimum. I'm sure our coaches and FO will really get them to play beyond they're abilities. Gotta love someone complaining about whining by whining about it.

The Joe Burrow comparison is laughable. Trey Hendrickson signed a contract in 2021 for a 4 year 60-million-dollar deal, to come play for the Bengals, when everyone thought he was just a product of the line he played on in NOLA. Then two years into that 4-year deal, he wanted an extension, with 2-years left on that contract, and the Bengals obliged him with a 1-year extension. Then, after getting his extension, which he gladly signed, he wanted another extension and raise when he wasn't even eligible for one. And now he's talking about not playing because he is not happy with the extension he signed. So the Bengals offer him a 12 million dollar raise and he balks at it. Basically, the dude wants a long-term contract and have all his guarantees, but he wants to be able to redo it and get a raise every year. He's acting like a spoiled child. "Eww. so and so makes more than me so I want a new deal..............waaaaa" He wants Crosby money, except he's not as good as Crosby against the run. Trey was one of my favorite players, but I'm over it. He needs to Grow up and Shut up.

[SunsetBengal]

(9 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: The Joe Burrow comparison is laughable. Trey Hendrickson signed a contract in 2021 for a 4 year 60-million-dollar deal, to come play for the Bengals, when everyone thought he was just a product of the line he played on in NOLA. Then two years into that 4-year deal, he wanted an extension, with 2-years left on that contract, and the Bengals obliged him with a 1-year extension. Then, after getting his extension, which he gladly signed, he wanted another extension and raise when he wasn't even eligible for one. And now he's talking about not playing because he is not happy with the extension he signed. So the Bengals offer him a 12 million dollar raise and he balks at it. Basically, the dude wants a long-term contract and have all his guarantees, but he wants to be able to redo it and get a raise every year. He's acting like a spoiled child. "Eww. so and so makes more than me so I want a new deal..............waaaaa" He wants Crosby money, except he's not as good as Crosby against the run. Trey was one of my favorite players, but I'm over it. He needs to Grow up and Shut up.

On the other side of the coin; all Trey Hendrickson has done since joining the Bengals is produce.

4x Pro Bowl
1st Team All Pro (2024)
2nd in DPOY (2024)
League leader in sacks the past two seasons
In addition to 35 sacks over the past two seasons, he's also made 35TFL (all of which on rushing plays...) and 61 QB hits.

If the Bengals don't want to pay for that sort of production, why are they even going through the motion of fielding a team?

[PCB Bengal Fan]

(10 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I wonder if Joe Burrow would play for 28 million a year. Maybe we should cut all the players that think they're value is high and only sign guys that are willing to play for the minimum. I'm sure our coaches and FO will really get them to play beyond they're abilities. Gotta love someone complaining about whining by whining about it.

Joe effects wins & losses, Trey could be gone tomorrow & the D would'nt be much worse than what it was last year. We had one of the worst pass rushes last year "with" Trey. I also don't recall him being doubled much. Too bad the Bengals did'nt get Chase done before last season, we could pay Trey more. WTS I'd trade him for whatever they could get. I wanted him traded after the sh!t he pulled before last season.

[THE PISTONS]

(9 hours ago)SunsetBengal Wrote: On the other side of the coin; all Trey Hendrickson has done since joining the Bengals is produce.

4x Pro Bowl
1st Team All Pro (2024)
2nd in DPOY (2024)
League leader in sacks the past two seasons
In addition to 35 sacks over the past two seasons, he's also made 35TFL (all of which on rushing plays...) and 61 QB hits.

If the Bengals don't want to pay for that sort of production, why are they even going through the motion of fielding a team?

What I've read is that they've offered him around $28 million a year on average. He's making what $17 million this year. So they're upping that by a decent amount.

But, year...it isn't the $35 million a year that he probably wants.

What I wonder...is IF the Bengals privately view this upcoming year as a rebuilding year, especially on defense. With Burrow and Chase, your offense will keep you in games. But, on defense, it's hard to say that it really improved a lot.

[THE PISTONS]

(9 hours ago)PCB Bengal Fan Wrote: Joe effects wins & losses, Trey could be gone tomorrow & the D would'nt be much worse than what it was last year. We had one of the worst pass rushes last year "with" Trey. I also don't recall him being doubled much. Too bad the Bengals did'nt get Chase done before last season, we could pay Trey more. WTS I'd trade him for whatever they could get. I wanted him traded after the sh!t he pulled before last season.

Oh...they would have been worse without Trey. It's hard to quantify how much, as they were so bad...but without those 17.5 sacks, they probably give up more points.

[*PhilHos*]

(8 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: What I wonder...is IF the Bengals privately view this upcoming year as a rebuilding year, especially on defense. With Burrow and Chase, your offense will keep you in games. But, on defense, it's hard to say that it really improved a lot.

It seems to me that the Bengals view the defense's issues were mainly on the coaching staff. I mean, they only brought in like 2 outside free agents to the defense.

[Stewy]

(8 hours ago)PhilHos Wrote: It seems to me that the Bengals view the defense's issues were mainly on the coaching staff. I mean, they only brought in like 2 outside free agents to the defense.

Can't reference this, but I believe it was documented in a ESPN or Si article that the defensive turn around last year (from league worst to not a weekly embarrassment) was due to Lou simplifying his defense, it's schemes and individual assignments mid season (or there about).

And IMO we don't need even an average defense to win, we just need them to make a stop or two now and then, which earlier in the year they were not even doing that much.

And whether it works out or not, bringing in Al Golden is an inspired choice.  The ND defense was not overly stocked with talent, but they worked together as a unit and each man did his job, which worked exceedingly well, until they ran into the OSU OFF juggernaut, which just plain out talented them.  So because all the money is on the OFF, and the DEF is going to be young and not as talented, bringing in a guy that got a unit like that to play together and succeed, is king of a smart move.....if it works.

[jj22]

(8 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Can't reference this, but I believe it was documented in a ESPN or Si article that the defensive turn around last year (from league worst to not a weekly embarrassment) was due to Lou simplifying his defense, it's schemes and individual assignments mid season (or there about).

It was the teams (QB's) they played. When they had to play an average one they struggled all over again (Bombs away Bo Nix). 

[THE PISTONS]

(8 hours ago)PhilHos Wrote: It seems to me that the Bengals view the defense's issues were mainly on the coaching staff. I mean, they only brought in like 2 outside free agents to the defense.

It's either blame the coaching staff.

Or) blame the people drafting/signing free agents.

The people assigning the blame are the ones that do the drafting/signing free agents. Blaming coaching staff is the easy button.

[THE PISTONS]

(8 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Can't reference this, but I believe it was documented in a ESPN or Si article that the defensive turn around last year (from league worst to not a weekly embarrassment) was due to Lou simplifying his defense, it's schemes and individual assignments mid season (or there about).

And IMO we don't need even an average defense to win, we just need them to make a stop or two now and then, which earlier in the year they were not even doing that much.

And whether it works out or not, bringing in Al Golden is an inspired choice.  The ND defense was not overly stocked with talent, but they worked together as a unit and each man did his job, which worked exceedingly well, until they ran into the OSU OFF juggernaut, which just plain out talented them.  So because all the money is on the OFF, and the DEF is going to be young and not as talented, bringing in a guy that got a unit like that to play together and succeed, is king of a smart move.....if it works.

Plus, guys got hurt and personnel changed out. Lowly drafted players came in and outplayed the veterans starting in some cases.

[*rfaulk34*]

(10 hours ago)Sled21 Wrote: If he wants to retire, he can and there's not much the Bengalscan do about it. But he is whining about not getting enough money for his family, so I doubt that is his plan.  And as I type that, I can't help but laugh at the statement that 28 mil per is not enough money for his family, for playing a game. He needs to freaking grow up. 

I love it when someone who makes a fraction of an NFL player's salary goes on some rant about how he could be making 28M a year to play a game, when they themselves don't have the talent to perform as one of the best in the world at that job. Said fan would gladly take less to play a game. Happily being underpaid relative to their peers. 

Yeah, right. 

When you have the talent to do a job and you're one of the best at that job, you want to be compensated to your talent, relative to your peers. 

Full.Stop.

[jj22]

I would caution thinking there will be a significant turnaround year 1 under Al. Even ND took a couple years.

[NUGDUKWE]

(9 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Ironically says the complainer complaining about the whiner.

I know. Fair enough

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

Our offense was 15th in 4th quarter points per drive and one of the worst in the league on 3rd & 4th & short.

We put up big numbers because we throw the ball far more than anyone else.

We are like an inefficient chucker in basketball. More Carmelo Anthony than and efficient champ (MJ, Kareem, LeBron, Curry, Jokic).

I cannot find the darned links. Overall 3rd down conversion is good,,cannot find 3rd & short broken out. Ditto 4th Q points per drive. 4th down generally was 21st.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/fourth-down-conversion-pct

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(8 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: What I've read is that they've offered him around $28 million a year on average. He's making what $17 million this year. So they're upping that by a decent amount.

But, year...it isn't the $35 million a year that he probably wants.

We don't know how much of that $28m/yr is real and even that offer is just allegedly.

Chase was making $7.7m/yr. They waited an extra year to pay him and rather than having to give him less earlier they had to give him $40.25m/yr.

It wasn't Chase's fault they didn't pay him earlier when they could have paid less. Just like it's not Hendrickson's fault that they didn't pay him earlier when they could have paid him less.

Hell, two years ago Tee was only looking for $23m/yr, a Michael Pittman Jr type deal by his own words. The Bengals keep lowballing, delaying, and then having to pay more because of the delay. That's 100% on the FO.

[NUGDUKWE]

(7 hours ago)rfaulk34 Wrote: I love it when someone who makes a fraction of an NFL player's salary goes on some rant about how he could be making 28M a year to play a game, when they themselves don't have the talent to perform as one of the best in the world at that job. Said fan would gladly take less to play a game. Happily being underpaid relative to their peers. 

Yeah, right. 

When you have the talent to do a job and you're one of the best at that job, you want to be compensated to your talent, relative to your peers. 

Full.Stop.

This is essentially the point i was trying to make with the Burrow comparison. Whatever million dollar amount sounds good but the market gets set. Burrow could take 28 million per and never have to worry about money but that's not the market # for QBs. Trey was the sack leader last year and right now is making the salary of the 20th DE. 

[Luvnit2]

(6 hours ago)NUGDUKWE Wrote: This is essentially the point i was trying to make with the Burrow comparison. Whatever million dollar amount sounds good but the market gets set. Burrow could take 28 million per and never have to worry about money but that's not the market # for QBs. Trey was the sack leader last year and right now is making the salary of the 20th DE. 

And JB is tied for 3rd. Mahommes is not in the top 10. He is 14th.

I get Trey is underpaid. But to think on his 3rd contract he is going to get paid like a second contract is not realistic in my opinion.

Also, Trey received a bonus which is not calculated in your numbers. It is worth 5 million in 2025 if they tear up the 2025 contract. He received that money upfront.

https://www.nfl.com/photos/ranking-the-nfl-s-biggest-contracts-for-2025

[*PhilHos*]

(8 hours ago)Stewy Wrote: Can't reference this, but I believe it was documented in a ESPN or Si article that the defensive turn around last year (from league worst to not a weekly embarrassment) was due to Lou simplifying his defense, it's schemes and individual assignments mid season (or there about).

And IMO we don't need even an average defense to win, we just need them to make a stop or two now and then, which earlier in the year they were not even doing that much.

And whether it works out or not, bringing in Al Golden is an inspired choice.  The ND defense was not overly stocked with talent, but they worked together as a unit and each man did his job, which worked exceedingly well, until they ran into the OSU OFF juggernaut, which just plain out talented them.  So because all the money is on the OFF, and the DEF is going to be young and not as talented, bringing in a guy that got a unit like that to play together and succeed, is king of a smart move.....if it works.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they got rid of Lou and I think Golden was an excellent choice to replace him. I just don't think the Bengals front office view our defense as in the stages of rebuilding. I think our front office thinks our defense could be really good simply by changing the coaches and don't see the need to improve in most areas.

[*PhilHos*]

(7 hours ago)THE PISTONS Wrote: It's either blame the coaching staff.

Or) blame the people drafting/signing free agents.

The people assigning the blame are the ones that do the drafting/signing free agents. Blaming coaching staff is the easy button.

Too true, but I also honestly believe the front office thinks they do a good job.