Rank Our DTs (2025)

[*bfine32*]

We move back to the D and move to IDL. Where do we have BJ, TJ, Kris and Mac?

As always, the competition:

ARZ: WALTER NOLEN, DALVIN TOMLISON, CALAIS CAMPBELL, BEN STILE
ATL: DAVID ONYEMATA, RUKE OHORHORO, MORGAN FOX, KATAVIOUS STREET
BAL: NNUDAMI METUBUIKE, TRAVI JONES, BRODRICK ROBINSON, JOHN JENKINS
BUF: DAQUAN JONES, ED OLIVER, DEONE WALKER, TJ SANDERS
CAR: DERRICK BROWN, BOBBY BROWN, TURSHAWN WHARTON, SKY TUTTLE
CHI: GRADY JACKSON, GERVON DEXLER, ANDREW BILLINGS, CHRIS WILLIAMS
CLV: MALIK COLLINS, MASON GRAHAM, MIKE HALL, SHELBY HARRIS
DAL: MAZI SMITH, OSA ODIGIZUWA, SOLOMANTHOMAS, EARNEST BROWN
DEN: ZACH ALLEN, DJ JONES, JOHNFRANKLIN-MEYER, ZACH ROACH
DET: ALIM NCNEIL, DJ READER, LEVI ONWUZURIKI, TY WILLIAMS
GBP: KENNY CLARK, DEONTE WYATT, KARL BROOKS, WARREN BRINSON
HOU: TIM SETTLE FOLO FATUKSKI, MARIO EDWARD, SHELDON RANKINS
IND: GROVER STEWART, DEFOREST BUCKNER, ADETO ADEBO, NEVILLE GALLIMORE
JAX: DAVON HAMILTON, ARIK ARMSTEAD, JORDAN JEFFERSON MAASON SMITH
KCC: CHRIS JONES, MIKE PENNELL, JERRY TILLERY, OMAR NORMANLOTT
LVR: CHRISTIAN WILKINS, ADAM BUTLER, LEKI FOTU, JONAH LAULU
LAC: DAHAWN HAND, TAIIR TART, OTTO OGBONNIA, JAMAR CALDWELL
LAR: BRANDON FISKE, TYLER DAVIS, KOBIE TURNER, JACK HEFLIN
MIA: MATT DICKERSON, KENNETH GRANT, JACK SIEIER, BENITO JONES
MIN: JONATHAN ALLEN, HARRISON PHILLIPS, JORDAN HARGRAVE, TAKI TAIMANI
NEP: MILTON WILLIAMS, KHYRIS TONGA, CHRISTIAN BARMORE, JAQUELIN ROY
NOS: BRIAN BREESE, NATHAN SHEPPARD, KHALEN SAUNDERS, DAVON GAUDCHEAU
NYG: RAKEEM ROACHES, DEXTER LAWRENCE, DEXTER GOLDSTON, JORDAN RILEY
NYJ- DERRICK NNADI, QUINNEN WILLIAMS, JAKE TALULA, BYRON COWART
PHI: JALEN CARTER, JORDAN DAVIS, MORO OJOBO, BYRON YOUNG
PIT:  CAM HAYWARD, DERRICK HARMON, KEANEU BENTON YAHYA BLACK
SFF: KEVIN GIVENS, JORDON ELLIOT, ALFRED COLLOINS, CJ WEST
SEA: JARRAN REED, JOHN HANKINS, LEONARD WILLIAMS, BYRON MURPHY
TBB: VITA VEJA, LOGAN HALL, CALIJAH KANCY, GREG GAINES
TEN: SEBASTIN DAY, TVONDRA SWEAT, JEFFERY SIMMONS, KEANDRE COBURN
WAS: DARON PAYNE, JAVON KINLAW, JERZHAN NEWTON, EDDIE GOLDMAN

AVAILABLE: RAEKWON DAVIS, JORDAN PHILLIPS, MAURICE HURST, DESHAWN WILLIAMS

[*Synric*]

Another bottom tier position group on defense.

[Clark W Griswold]

One of the weakest spots on the team - G and S are possibly the only weaker position groups.

Still, I ranked them 20-25 with the belief that Jenkins and Mac will take big steps forward in their second seasons. If they don’t then this unit could end up being bottom 5 even though Hill is solid and I liked the Slaton signing.

I see this as a “clog up the IOL and let the LBs make tackles” type of DT group.

[Mike M (the other one)]

I think Jenkins and McKinley are going to break out this year. I think we will be just outside the top 10 this year.

[Luvnit2]

(05-18-2025, 06:49 PM)bfine32 Wrote: We move back to the D and move to IDL. Where do we have BJ, TJ, Kris and Mac?

As always, the competition:

ARZ: WALTER NOLEN, DALVIN TOMLISON, CALAIS CAMPBELL, BEN STILE
ATL: DAVID ONYEMATA, RUKE OHORHORO, MORGAN FOX, KATAVIOUS STREET
BAL: NNUDAMI METUBUIKE, TRAVI JONES, BRODRICK ROBINSON, JOHN JENKINS
BUF: DAQUAN JONES, ED OLIVER, DEONE WALKER, TJ SANDERS
CAR: DERRICK BROWN, BOBBY BROWN, TURSHAWN WHARTON, SKY TUTTLE
CHI: GRADY JACKSON, GERVON DEXLER, ANDREW BILLINGS, CHRIS WILLIAMS
CLV: MALIK COLLINS, MASON GRAHAM, MIKE HALL, SHELBY HARRIS
DAL: MAZI SMITH, OSA ODIGIZUWA, SOLOMANTHOMAS, EARNEST BROWN
DEN: ZACH ALLEN, DJ JONES, JOHNFRANKLIN-MEYER, ZACH ROACH
DET: ALIM NCNEIL, DJ READER, LEVI ONWUZURIKI, TY WILLIAMS
GBP: KENNY CLARK, DEONTE WYATT, KARL BROOKS, WARREN BRINSON
HOU: TIM SETTLE FOLO FATUKSKI, MARIO EDWARD, SHELDON RANKINS
IND: GROVER STEWART, DEFOREST BUCKNER, ADETO ADEBO, NEVILLE GALLIMORE
JAX: DAVON HAMILTON, ARIK ARMSTEAD, JORDAN JEFFERSON MAASON SMITH
KCC: CHRIS JONES, MIKE PENNELL, JERRY TILLERY, OMAR NORMANLOTT
LVR: CHRISTIAN WILKINS, ADAM BUTLER, LEKI FOTU, JONAH LAULU
LAC: DAHAWN HAND, TAIIR TART, OTTO OGBONNIA, JAMAR CALDWELL
LAR: BRANDON FISKE, TYLER DAVIS, KOBIE TURNER, JACK HEFLIN
MIA: MATT DICKERSON, KENNETH GRANT, JACK SIEIER, BENITO JONES
MIN: JONATHAN ALLEN, HARRISON PHILLIPS, JORDAN HARGRAVE, TAKI TAIMANI
NEP: MILTON WILLIAMS, KHYRIS TONGA, CHRISTIAN BARMORE, JAQUELIN ROY
NOS: BRIAN BREESE, NATHAN SHEPPARD, KHALEN SAUNDERS, DAVON GAUDCHEAU
NYG: RAKEEM ROACHES, DEXTER LAWRENCE, DEXTER GOLDSTON, JORDAN RILEY
NYJ- DERRICK NNADI, QUINNEN WILLIAMS, JAKE TALULA, BYRON COWART
PHI: JALEN CARTER, JORDAN DAVIS, MORO OJOBO, BYRON YOUNG
PIT:  CAM HAYWARD, DERRICK HARMON, KEANEU BENTON YAHYA BLACK
SFF: KEVIN GIVENS, JORDON ELLIOT, ALFRED COLLOINS, CJ WEST
SEA: JARRAN REED, JOHN HANKINS, LEONARD WILLIAMS, BYRON MURPHY
TBB: VITA VEJA, LOGAN HALL, CALIJAH KANCY, GREG GAINES
TEN: SEBASTIN DAY, TVONDRA SWEAT, JEFFERY SIMMONS, KEANDRE COBURN
WAS: DARON PAYNE, JAVON KINLAW, JERZHAN NEWTON, EDDIE GOLDMAN

AVAILABLE: RAEKWON DAVIS, JORDAN PHILLIPS, MAURICE HURST, DESHAWN WILLIAMS

The bolded are better than us IMHO heading into 2025, but if Jenkins and Jackson improve, we could be top 15. I have them 19th.

[SunsetBengal]

I'm actually optimistic for the DT group compared to last year at this time, so I put them in the 14-20 group. Re-signing a reliable veteran and adding a true NT were both solid moves. If Jenkins and Jackson improve upon what each of them flashed last year, the group as a whole should be notably better.

[*bengalfan74*]

(Yesterday, 09:17 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm actually optimistic for the DT group compared to last year at this time, so I put them in the 14-20 group. Re-signing a reliable veteran and adding a true NT were both solid moves. If Jenkins and Jackson improve upon what each of them flashed last year, the group as a whole should be notably better.

Same

I f Jenkins and Jackson can prove that last seasons end of the year improvement wasn't just a flash in the pan? Hopefully it's gonna get better in the middle. And if Stewart and Murphy can both step up and improve the pressure outside that's gonna let the middle shine a bit more.

[Whatever]

(Yesterday, 09:17 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm actually optimistic for the DT group compared to last year at this time, so I put them in the 14-20 group. Re-signing a reliable veteran and adding a true NT were both solid moves. If Jenkins and Jackson improve upon what each of them flashed last year, the group as a whole should be notably better.

Yeah, they have two proven starters and a pair of highly drafted backups entering their second year.  I don't think they are an elite group, but they have a solid rotation.  I get the lack of interior pass rush from last year, but Hill played out of position at NT a lot.

[THE PISTONS]

Should be better against the run. As far as pass rush, they were bad last year. Hopefully the young guys improve it.

[Hammerstripes]

Interesting that people are so negative on this group. I think Sletton will be a massive upgrade at NT and BJ is a middle tier starter at 3T. I don't think this is a bottom 5 group. Definitely in the 20-25 range for me. That score only gets better if any of the young guys take the next step.

On a side note, I do think we will see the pass rushing interior line play come from one of the DEs.

[Clark W Griswold]

FA DT Montravius Adams is visiting with the Bengals today but I really doubt he would impact anyone’s vote…

[WeezyBengal]

NA

It's impossible to say without knowing what you have in Jackson and Jenkins.

Could be a bottom 1/3 group, could be a top 1/3 group all depending on those two guys. Will let you know after week 6 of the season.

[*bfine32*]

My Top 5:

PIT
WAS
PHI
KCC
TBB

[phil413]

(Yesterday, 03:52 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: NA

It's impossible to say without knowing what you have in Jackson and Jenkins.

Could be a bottom 1/3 group, could be a top 1/3 group all depending on those two guys. Will let you know after week 6 of the season.

Yeah I'm having the most issues with this group. Someone make a case for why I shouldn't rank them in the 2nd to last group, heck they may currently be in the bottom group but I'm giving slight projections to get them there.  

[Millhouse]

(Yesterday, 06:19 PM)phil413 Wrote: Yeah I'm having the most issues with this group. Someone make a case for why I shouldn't rank them in the 2nd to last group, heck they may currently be in the bottom group but I'm giving slight projections to get them there.  

I don't either group is wrong, bottom 3rd of the league seems very fair to say. 

But for these polls I tend to vote on where I think they currently are, as opposed to 9 months from now.

[007BengalsFan]

(Yesterday, 03:52 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: NA

It's impossible to say without knowing what you have in Jackson and Jenkins.

Could be a bottom 1/3 group, could be a top 1/3 group all depending on those two guys. Will let you know after week 6 of the season.

I agree.  You just don't know.  Jackson and Jenkins showed some promise last year and that is encouraging especially when those guys missed valuable time at the beginning of the season with injuries.  It was encouraging but they need to take another step this season.  Hopefully they both take a big leap.  If they do, the DT position and defense as a whole will be much improved with them playing better.

[phil413]

(Yesterday, 06:51 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I don't either group is wrong, bottom 3rd of the league seems very fair to say. 

But for these polls I tend to vote on where I think they currently are, as opposed to 9 months from now.

Yeah I'm pretty similar but I look at madden type profession.  It's been years, but I'm OK with moving the young players up a few points from whatever they were and the older players with a slight drop-off. Neither may warrant it, but I'm OK with it as a projection.  I can't fathom saying this group today is an average group even.  I'm OK with admitting that a true NT should help some to cut the bleeding for the sake of having zero pressure in rush.  BJ is a descent tweener starter.  The position depends on Jenkins and I'm not just handing him 7 or 8 sacks but that's where the difference maker is.