5 Predictions That Will Come True Before Season

[ERIC1]

(07-03-2025, 11:39 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Just curious what has he really missed? Not ideal but seems a stretch teetering on a wash. I do think camp has to happen.

Agreed OTAsare meaningless..just fodder for the press and fans

[jj22]

Players would disagree with you per all the interviews we heard... Especially those with new position coaches that you are banking on... Or those learning a new system.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-03-2025, 03:38 PM)jj22 Wrote: Why not? How likely did you think he'd contribute significantly as a rookie to begin with?  

I know you weren't talking to me, but I figured Shemar could contribute as a run stopper right off the bat. He was very good at sealing the edge
at Texas A&M and we need to be able to replace what Sam Hubbard brought when he was healthy. Both Murphy and Ossai were not good at sealing
the edge last season in the run game.

I agree with you though, him missing time practicing with the team will hurt his progress as a rookie and it has been dumb of him not to sign.

To act like missing this time won't hurt him at all is ignorant IMO.

[Soonerpeace]

(07-03-2025, 03:38 PM)jj22 Wrote: Why not? How likely did you think he'd contribute significantly as a rookie to begin with?  

Missing a significant part of preseason camp wouldn’t teeter on a wash out. It’s a 17 game season. Would it impact his contribution ? Yes.

[Soonerpeace]

(07-03-2025, 04:34 PM)jj22 Wrote: Players would disagree with you per all the interviews we heard... Especially those with new position coaches that you are banking on... Or those learning a new system.

They work extra with guys missing for injury as rookies. Eric All was one last year. Hurt his early contributions for sure

[XsandOs]

(07-03-2025, 04:34 PM)jj22 Wrote: Players would disagree with you per all the interviews we heard... Especially those with new position coaches that you are banking on... Or those learning a new system.

Absolutely agree!!!

Rookie minicamps are for draftees to get and orientation to Team norms, culture and processes, get fitted for equipment, acclimation to NFL life and basic introduction to the scheme and terminology. 

Implementation of their system is done at OTAs. In this case, Golden would implement his system, have his players "walk-through" those plays as they are called.

Learning the system, terminology of plays, and understanding your responsibility in each play called, are implemented at OTAs. 

Players will then leave with iPads and are expected to come into camp having learned all that. 

[sandwedge]

(07-03-2025, 04:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know you weren't talking to me, but I figured Shemar could contribute as a run stopper right off the bat. He was very good at sealing the edge
at Texas A&M and we need to be able to replace what Sam Hubbard brought when he was healthy. Both Murphy and Ossai were not good at sealing
the edge last season in the run game.

I agree with you though, him missing time practicing with the team will hurt his progress as a rookie and it has been dumb of him not to sign.

To act like missing this time won't hurt him at all is ignorant IMO.

I think the kid needs to be humbled, I hope someone plants his ass the first couple of times..

[ERIC1]

(07-03-2025, 07:38 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Absolutely agree!!!

Rookie minicamps are for draftees to get and orientation to Team norms, culture and processes, get fitted for equipment, acclimation to NFL life and basic introduction to the scheme and terminology. 

Implementation of their system is done at OTAs. In this case, Golden would implement his system, have his players "walk-through" those plays as they are called.

Learning the system, terminology of plays, and understanding your responsibility in each play called, are implemented at OTAs. 

Players will then leave with iPads and are expected to come into camp having learned all that. 

And stewart participated in all the aforementioned...minicamps are nothing more than an orientation to the organization and determining the location of your locker

[ERIC1]

(07-03-2025, 04:41 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know you weren't talking to me, but I figured Shemar could contribute as a run stopper right off the bat. He was very good at sealing the edge
at Texas A&M and we need to be able to replace what Sam Hubbard brought when he was healthy. Both Murphy and Ossai were not good at sealing
the edge last season in the run game.

I agree with you though, him missing time practicing with the team will hurt his progress as a rookie and it has been dumb of him not to sign.

To act like missing this time won't hurt him at all is ignorant IMO.

If this stewart thing is not resolved before summer camp than there will be some ussues...nfl mini camps are nothing more than like bringing mommy and daddy to a new school and meeting the teachers and finding out where the cafeteria is located

[ERIC1]

(07-03-2025, 11:00 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I think the kid needs to be humbled, I hope someone plants his ass the first couple of times..

Stewart spoke respectfully regarding his contract issues

[sandwedge]

(07-04-2025, 12:21 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Stewart spoke respectfully regarding his contract issues

Like hell he did.

[XsandOs]

(07-03-2025, 04:20 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: OTA is nothing more than tag football and getting to know your team mates and where you locker is at..stewart was there everyday except one..if this carries on into summer training camp..then there may be an issue

(07-04-2025, 12:16 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: And stewart participated in all the aforementioned...minicamps are nothing more than an orientation to the organization and determining the location of your locker

I get your perspective in terms of Stewart's ATTENDANCE at the OTAs. however; I would not define it as participation.

My thoughts were related to the content of OTAs. It is much more than introduction to Teammates and your locker. 

After implementation of scheme and terminology, the on field walk-throughs and drills are critical to to processing the terminology, understanding the concept, knowing the stance and where to line up, and strategy for each play called. 

He could have also benefitted from positional drills, get pointers on rush plans and cross, rip, spin, etc. 

Given that he is a DE (not a S or LB), he could catch up at camp within a few days. But that will depend on whether he will study and communicate with other players before he hits camp. What furthers the issue is that the ideal "mentor" he could have leaned on before camp would have been Trey.... 

[ERIC1]

(07-04-2025, 11:34 AM)XsandOs Wrote: I get your perspective in terms of Stewart's ATTENDANCE at the OTAs. however; I would not define it as participation.

My thoughts were related to the content of OTAs. It is much more than introduction to Teammates and your locker. 

After implementation of scheme and terminology, the on field walk-throughs and drills are critical to to processing the terminology, understanding the concept, knowing the stance and where to line up, and strategy for each play called. 

He could have also benefitted from positional drills, get pointers on rush plans and cross, rip, spin, etc. 

Given that he is a DE (not a S or LB), he could catch up at camp within a few days. But that will depend on whether he will study and communicate with other players before he hits camp. What furthers the issue is that the ideal "mentor" he could have leaned on before camp would have been Trey.... 

The physicality of mini camp is nothing more than tag football...Stewart was there for everything else..

[XsandOs]

(07-04-2025, 01:33 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: The physicality of mini camp is nothing more than tag football...Stewart was there for everything else..

You are stating the obvious. It is not the intent of any of the three below. The language for Phase 3 is clear.

Rookie Mini
OTAs
Mandatory Mini

It is the critically important mental part that is implemented and reinforced via on-field drills.

He did not participate in OTAs or Mandatory Mini, and left both before they closed out.

In the Mandatory Mini, he skipped 10.5 hours of on-field. There are only 24 hours in total, and he skipped 15 hours of it, by leaving one day early.

In OTAs he skipped 15 hours of on field work. By leaving one day early, he skipped over a third of OTAs.

[ERIC1]

(07-04-2025, 06:05 PM)XsandOs Wrote: You are stating the obvious. It is not the intent of any of the three below. The language for Phase 3 is clear.

Rookie Mini
OTAs
Mandatory Mini

It is the critically important mental part that is implemented and reinforced via on-field drills.

He did not participate in OTAs or Mandatory Mini, and left both before they closed out.

In the Mandatory Mini, he skipped 10.5 hours of on-field. There are only 24 hours in total, and he skipped 15 hours of it, by leaving one day early.

In OTAs he skipped 15 hours of on field work. By leaving one day early, he skipped over a third of OTAs.

And tom brady was what a little regarded 5th round draft pick that has become the GOAT...throughout the course of NFL history players have held out, missed minicamps..had injuries etc and gone on to have great careers..We will have a better feel feel for this issue shortly..Happy 4th

[XsandOs]

(07-04-2025, 07:17 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: And tom brady was what a little regarded 5th round draft pick that has become the GOAT...throughout the course of NFL history players have  held out, missed minicamps..had injuries  etc and gone on to have great careers..We will have a better feel feel for this issue shortly..Happy 4th

Irrelevant to the point, as a vet like him or Burrow missing OTAs and Minicamps are not as critical as a rookie missing the same.

Nonetheless; Happy 4th ERIC1.

[BengalsBong]

(07-02-2025, 05:18 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If Stewart doesn't sign his contract by next year's draft, he's eligible to reenter the draft and be selected by another team.
I don't know if the Bengals would get reciprocated in any way for essentially losing their drafted player, but I don't believe they would.
But if Stewart really doesn't sign until by or right before the start of the season, he will have lost out on incredibly valuable learning time so he could perform better this year.
Not being on the field the entire offseason leading up to the season when you already aren't coming in very refined as is would very likely mean he'll contribute very little if at all this year.

Hendrickson at least has some ground to stand on when it comes to his contract, batting well above his allotted pay up to this point and already being a proven commodity in the NFL and with the Bengals specifically.
Stewart is none of that, and it's making him look somewhat selfish and unwilling to "deal with it" when some feel he should just be appreciative he's getting to play in the NFL and was a 1st round pick.
If the rumors by PDJ are true and this contract wording is in place for the 16th and 18th pick, becoming more common, I tend to agree this is just the way things are now for contracts and you may just need to suck it up, be overly mindful and cautious, and get to work.

The Bengals select Stewart in the 5th or 6th round next year if that is the case. lol 

[BoomerFan]

(07-01-2025, 01:40 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: A to Z Sports has five predictions that they think will come true before the season starts, and that gave me hope.

Good article Brad. And I think it is roughly right on the money. 

One more that would be interesting to add is, the 2nd rounder issue *should* be resolved by the start of the season. Someone's gonna move. Currently 30 of 32 second rounders have not been signed including our own Demetrius T. Knight Jr.. It is all based around guaranteed money for relatively small contracts. Nick E has the biggest unsigned contract worth around $11 million. 

On the one hand it sounds very petty, on the other hand you understand that teams don't want players to be able to dog it for four years after signing their deal. Still, you'd think the big motivation would be the second contract anyways. 

(07-03-2025, 11:42 AM)jj22 Wrote: I think even with the perfect participation in offseason Shemar was a ways away (as a pass rusher), so missing OTA's minicamp etc. has only stalled his development. We've seen training camp for players who miss the spring due to injury not be enough to get them up to speed to start the season. This really isn't much different. 

It was always far fetched to expect him to come in and be a 8 sack player as a rookie given his college production. 

We have to remember even Murphy came in more acclaimed and "pro ready".... 

8 sacks would be a lot for any rookie, wouldn't it? 3.5 sacks would be a contribution. 5 sacks would eclipse his college career. If he can get 5 sacks and play the run without missing tackles like he sometimes did in college, I'd be happy with that production in his rookie season. They don't all hit the ground running like Carlos Dunlap did his rookie season. 

(07-04-2025, 07:43 PM)BengalsBong Wrote: The Bengals select Stewart in the 5th or 6th round next year if that is the case. lol 

There is a rule prohibiting him from being selected by the same team. ...but some other team could take him late and trade him to us. 

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-03-2025, 11:00 PM)sandwedge Wrote: I think the kid needs to be humbled, I hope someone plants his ass the first couple of times..

He definitely comes off as a bit cocky, nothing wrong that. A little humility always helps though that is for sure.

He WILL have his rookie moments.

[*ochocincos*]

It's hard to be excited for the player and person right now that is Shemar Stewart.
From everything we've heard thus far on the contract situation, his side is arguing he shouldn't have that clause because previous Bengals 1st rounders haven't had it.
But this year, supposedly the pick immediately prior and after both have that clause, and it sounds like it's becoming/wanting to become more common for teams across the league.
Stewart might have to accept that this is the "new normal" and deal with it.
Right now, it feels like he's willing to delay his own development and potentially impact the production of the team by refusing to play due this contract clause.

If/when this gets settled, will we finally see Stewart just put his head down, focus on football, and really develop into the monster he has the potential to become, or is this just the first hurdle in distraction after distraction after distraction for this dude?