Domed Stadium

[jj22]

(Yesterday, 04:58 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: 95% of the time the weather in Cincinnati is noht so adverse to sitting outside and watching a football game.Domed stadiums are cool but there is a marked difference between being indoors and outside..Dont know if you are awrecof this but over 80% of the fans in buffalo in numerous surveys wanted an outdoir stadium..but this article is non sensical...decisions have already been made

This wasn't an article it was me surprised that Browns fans weren't nostalgic when it came to losing their open aired stadium and I had wondered if we would be around here if they up and decided that the Bengals would play in a domed stadium.

Still sounds like people aren't as dedicated to the idea of Bengals having an open stadium as I thought..

I'll miss the football in "inclement weather" games when there are no more open air stadiums.... But I'm admittedly old and of that generation. I get the new generation wants comfort. 

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 11:06 AM)BengalsBong Wrote: Yes, for a dome. You left out the best reason is Joe Burrow and how much we throw the ball the wind can affect the ball when thrown.

As well as rain and a wet ball or snow.

Field goal tries.

Being able to use the dome for other events in Cincy making the team and county/city more money.

(Yesterday, 11:46 AM)ochocincos Wrote: 100% this.

What is the actual benefit of playing football outdoors in the elements?
Wouldn't we want to make it as friendly on the team and fans as possible?
Is it just about being "tough" to sit outside in inclement weather and hot September days and freezing temps after Nov?
There's a reason Super Bowls are usually played indoors or in southern states where it's not freezing cold. It provides the best product on the field and best experience for the fans in attendance.
TV broadcasts are also getting better and better for how close they get to the action and clarity. Back in the 80s and before, the broadcast was not nearly as good (from footage I have seen, I did not watch football in the 80s and prior myself). Heck, you're almost better off nowadays watching a game on TV to get a better view than watching in the nosebleeds/back of the endzone seating, especially for the cost.

Agreed!

Ask a coach who draws up a great play. Ask player(s) who have to execute the play in perfect timing. 

Would coaches and players prefer slippery, cold, frozen footballs, where players can't cut, defenders can't plant, OL and DL are playing on skates, etc. ?

Ask a fan whether he/she prefers being soaked down to their socks with rain, or freeze their hands, face and feet in the cold.

Football is a beautiful chess game, played with precision and brute force. Watching the best athletes executing game plans is wonderful.

(Yesterday, 03:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What is a "real" football fan in your eyes?
Just someone who will go watch a football game in inclement weather?
What makes someone not a "real" football fan?

(Yesterday, 05:30 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Am i the only one that has noticed what a nonsensical ******* that guy is? Who never contributes anything of worth on topic, or interesting off topic?

Troollololoolllloll. 

I am beginning to notice that. Its disappointing. 

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 05:24 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Well that's not true, as some fans like myself (and I'm sure many on this MB) don't live in the county where the stadium is, or even the greater Cincinnati area or even Ohio., 
There are plenty of fans who travel up to a few hours away to attend games and may prefer a certain level of stadium quality/amenities but not have to succumb to the county/city taxes.

let me rephrase it then, the great majoirty of  people that have a voice in this dome theory are people like me that live in hamilton county, nothing against those coming outside of the county but they don;t have much of a say in it, accept if Ohio would kick into the equation. 

[J24]

(Yesterday, 04:51 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: 1) there is not room  2) you dont build an overabundance of hotel rooms clinging to the hope you may or may not get some NCAA tournaments etc occasionally....this debate is nonsensical..decisions have already been made

(Yesterday, 05:01 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: There is no room on the riverfront to build " super hotels" and more importantly you dont build them if they are going to be only 25% filled the majority of the time..Cincinnati I think is a great town ..but a destination spot it is not

1.)  Who says a new stadium has to be at the riverfront?

2.) Its just not a couple of NCAA tournament games. Its Superbowls, Final Fours, WrestleManias, Big Ten Championship games, College Playoff Games.

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 07:49 PM)J24 Wrote: 1.)  Who says a new stadium has to be at the riverfront?

2.) Its just not a couple of NCAA tournament games. Its Superbowls, Final Fours, WrestleManias, Big Ten Championship games, College Playoff Games.

there are problems wth both 1 and 2,  There is not much space left viable for new stadium outside of river, and it is one of the anchors on the banks etc, that would actually have a negative financial impact

2.  Competition every year is greater and greater with more domes etc plus even if inside, most visitors would prefer nicer weather to be outside in also. 

[J24]

(Yesterday, 09:12 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: there are problems wth both 1 and 2,  There is not much space left viable for new stadium outside of river, and it is one of the anchors on the banks etc, that would actually have a negative financial impact

2.  Competition every year is greater and greater with more domes etc plus even if inside, most visitors would prefer nicer weather to be outside in also. 

I sincerely doubt what you are saying on 1 I'm sure the Bengals can find room to build in other surrounding counties outside of Hamilton if they wanted to build a stadium. 

The Banks could develop other projects at the stadium site if it were to move.
 
Then why is Cleveland building a new indoor stadium if people only want to go where it is warm?

[XsandOs]

(Yesterday, 09:33 PM)J24 Wrote: I sincerely doubt what you are saying on 1 I'm sure the Bengals can find room to build in other surrounding counties outside of Hamilton if they wanted to build a stadium. 

The Banks could develop other projects at the stadium site if it were to move.
 
Then why is Cleveland building a new indoor stadium if people only want to go where it is warm?

Well, J24, it seems that Browns fans are not real football fans I guess. 

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 09:33 PM)J24 Wrote: I sincerely doubt what you are saying on 1 I'm sure the Bengals can find room to build in other surrounding counties outside of Hamilton if they wanted to build a stadium. 

The Banks could develop other projects at the stadium site if it were to move.
 
Then why is Cleveland building a new indoor stadium if people only want to go where it is warm?

well since the bengals and county seem to having a lease, i more than serious doubt they are moving out of downtown and our banks is already developed well, have you been to the shore line of Cleveland, not much there where stadium is, as continuous shoreline is now considered one of the tops in the country. the missing piece for downtown is actually a new area, that is more feasible and will attract way more events than it does now.  I did not say only, i said there has been a good uptick in domes being built but warmer cities will have a extra edge with better weather 

[*bfine32*]

It's amazing what folks want to do with other people's money.

[J24]

(Yesterday, 10:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: well since the bengals and county seem to having a lease, i more than serious doubt they are moving out of downtown and our banks is already developed well, have you been to the shore line of Cleveland, not much there where stadium is, as continuous shoreline is now considered one of the tops in the country. the missing piece for downtown is actually a new area, that is more feasible and will attract way more events than it does now

It's a 11 year lease(relatively short for a stadium lease) and the next lease will probably be for a new stadium or a major renovation of Paycore. So, yes moving out of the Banks is a serious consideration.

[Luvnit2]

(Yesterday, 05:01 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: There is no room on the riverfront to build " super hotels" and more importantly you dont build them if they are going to be only 25% filled the majority of the time..Cincinnati I think is a great town ..but a destination spot it is not

I have no idea how you got only 25% for a large hotel/casino located by PBS and walking dstance to GABP and US Bank arena, a few miles from the newly renovated convention center. Could you supply the study confirming your 25% occupancy the majority of the time? 

I will wait for you proof, I am sure all would love to see your factual data for your numbers projected so we can take you seriously in the future or not.

[ERIC1]

(Yesterday, 03:44 PM)ochocincos Wrote: What is a "real" football fan in your eyes?
Just someone who will go watch a football game in inclement weather?
What makes someone not a "real" football fan?

Real foofball fans like all of us are dont really give a damn if the game is played in a dome or an open air stadium..Smart people know that aside from needing some larger scoreboards that Paycor is in great shape and located in a great location and to spend 2-3 billion to build a new domed stadium at this time would be financially irresponsible..Bengals could play their games @ Moeller Highschool stadium I would be happy

[Essex Johnson]

(Yesterday, 10:26 PM)J24 Wrote: It's a 11 year lease(relatively short for a stadium lease) and the next lease will probably be for a new stadium or a major renovation of Paycore. So, yes moving out of the Banks is a serious consideration.

I read nothing that backs up Your claim that they .would be moving out of the banks. When you find it, let me know. What I have read that the bengals do not desire a new stadium and are committed to stay here in cincy.That came from the bengals organization

[Essex Johnson]

(Today, 01:19 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Hotel occupancy in most cities the size of cincinnati..annually run between 50-60 %. You start adding thousands of rooms in gleeful anticipation of getting a superbowl etc..that drops significantly......and your thesis is laughable..the majority of fans attending Reds games come from the tristate area and dont stay overnight..Us Bank Arena is  a joke.. and we are not Vegas.and  .as is the case with Reds games the people that go to .. our Casino are from Northern Ky ..Greater Cincinnati and some from  Indiana........the bottom line..the deal between Bengals and the County is done and the team will be playing @ Paycor for at least another decade....

You are correct in that downtown occupancy is around 60% which is usa avg. but size really does not matter , cincy annually beats Columbus, 

[ERIC1]

(Today, 02:07 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: You are correct in that downtown occupancy is around 60% which is usa avg. but size really does not matter , cincy annually beats Columbus, 

Keep the debate in context..1) cities like new york..LA Miami, Vegas etc typically run occupancy rates of 85-100%...they are destinaion cities..my point..whether it be a cincinnati or columbus...you dont add 1000s of rooms with the gilded expectation that perhaps someday you may host a Superbowl ir occasional NCAA tournament.Cincinnati..as great as this town is ...will never be a destination city..

[Bronxbengal]

If a team does not have a domed stadium and the majority of teams have one there would be a home field advantage especially in the winter months. The NFL makes millions. Let the league and billionaire owner pay for it. I am taxed enough.

[Brownshoe]

My dyslexia is acting up again. I thought the title was "doomed stadium". I was wondering what happened lol

[J24]

(Today, 01:58 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: I read nothing that backs up Your claim that they .would be moving out of the banks. When you find it, let me know. What I have read that the bengals do not desire a new stadium and are committed to stay here in cincy.That came from the bengals organization

You think a ten year commitment is a long-term  commitment for a stadium? Man your something special!

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 07:46 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: let me rephrase it then, the great majoirty of  people that have a voice in this dome theory are people like me that live in hamilton county, nothing against those coming outside of the county but they don;t have much of a say in it, accept if Ohio would kick into the equation. 

Yea but we're about a question posed on a message board, not a real question from Hamilton Country or the Bengals...

[Luvnit2]

(Today, 04:11 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: Keep the debate in context..1) cities like new york..LA   Miami, Vegas etc typically run occupancy rates of 85-100%...they are destinaion cities..my point..whether it be a cincinnati or columbus...you dont add 1000s of rooms with the gilded expectation that perhaps someday you may host a Superbowl ir occasional NCAA tournament.Cincinnati..as great as this town is ...will never be a destination city..

So you have no idea how you came up with the new hotel/casino would have a 25% occupancy rate. You think a hotel/casino would not attract big events we currently do not have like more concerts, possible Super Bowl, college basketball final fours and regionals, poker tournaments and more. The current 60% would increase a lot if we added a hotel.

Still waiting for your 25% proof you stated.