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Noah Fant Signed
This is from the 2024 Super Bowl. Fastest plays by a tight end since being tracked in 2021, so 3 full seasons.

Here is the full list of fastest runs by a TE:

Jonnu Smith - 21.15 MPH - W9 2023
Brock Wright - 20.54 MPH - W18 2021
Jonnu Smith - 20.29 MPH - W15 2023
Brevin Jordan - 20.03 MPH - WC 2023
Noah Fant - 20.00 MPH - W13 2023
Evan Engram - 19.76 MPH - W17 2022
Travis Kelce - 19.68 MPH - SB 2023
Harrison Bryant - 19.49 MPH - WC 2023
Tucker Kraft - 19.47 MPH - WC 2023
Mark Andrews - 19.45 MPH - W15 2021
Noah Fant - 19.45 MPH - W15 2021
Evan Engram - 18.80 MPH - DIV 2022
George Kittle - 18.63 MPH - DIV 2023
Dallas Goedert - 18.03 MPH - SB 2022

This tracks as he hit a calculated MPH of 21.6 in the last 20 yards of his 40 yard dash at the combine, according to Relative Athletic Scorr

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(Yesterday, 10:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Yes, I am serious because I use common sense, they did not structure and put money into deals, yet still have 20 million to use in 2025, so my take is that was their plan and they disagreed with you on overloading a ton if cash on any FA guard. You valued these big money guys more than the FO did or they would have signed one of them.. Why is that hard to understand that YOUR WAY WAS NOT THE BENGALS PLAN.

So get upset, but it is makes no sense when at this point of free agency we still have 20 million left minus Fant. I fthey would have did contracts and ppushed themm into 2026 and later, we could have 30 or 40 million right now. Once they decided the top guard was not a value or fit, then they did not need more cap space.They valued having money for a guy like Fant than they did available OG or DT's. We all think a vet OG like Hernandez would be great and they have the money to do it. It is very debatable if we need a DT this year, many like Slayton, Hill, Jenkins and Jackson.

Do you seriously lack the ability to read? I am beginning to think you have an impairment or sure just a troll. 

All I said was IF WE WERE GONNA RESTRUCTURE BURROW, we should have done it at the beginning of FA and not now. Because, you know, the whole point of signing clearing cap space is to SIGN FA's, and there aren't really many very left now..

I ask you point blank, and then you respond with more nonsensical drivel about disagreeing with a plan I never advocated for and dodged the initial question. 

Plus, I know damn well you know that we don't have $20 mil in actual space, because I have seen you do the math in other posts. So I know you are trolling. And, we have WAY less than $20 mil, because Trey's raise has to come out of it. He makes $18 now and it is gonna be more like $35. 

$29 - $2 (53 not 51) - $3-$4 mil (PS) - $1 mil (ALL on IR) = $22-$23 mil - Trey - Fant. If Trey's bump costs us $15 (and it could be more), then we have $7-$8 left. Minus Fant. 

You know this, but prattle on and on and on about how terrible it is that we have $20 mil in space at this juncture when you know damn well we don't. 

Apologies for the threadjack, I am just gonna put him on ignore. 
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(Today, 12:27 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Do you seriously lack the ability to read? I am beginning to think you have an impairment or sure just a troll. 

All I said was IF WE WERE GONNA RESTRUCTURE BURROW, we should have done it at the beginning of FA and not now. Because, you know, the whole point of signing clearing cap space is to SIGN FA's, and there aren't really many very left now..

I ask you point blank, and then you respond with more nonsensical drivel about disagreeing with a plan I never advocated for and dodged the initial question. 

Plus, I know damn well you know that we don't have $20 mil in actual space, because I have seen you do the math in other posts. So I know you are trolling. And, we have WAY less than $20 mil, because Trey's raise has to come out of it. He makes $18 now and it is gonna be more like $35. 

$29 - $2 (53 not 51) - $3-$4 mil (PS) - $1 mil (ALL on IR) = $22-$23 mil - Trey - Fant. If Trey's bump costs us $15 (and it could be more), then we have $7-$8 left. Minus Fant. 

You know this, but prattle on and on and on about how terrible it is that we have $20 mil in space at this juncture when you know damn well we don't. 

Apologies for the threadjack, I am just gonna put him on ignore. 

There's fixing to be a whole bunch of veterans released during training camp as teams determine if their rookies are able to replace them. It ain't over till it's over.
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(Today, 12:27 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Do you seriously lack the ability to read? I am beginning to think you have an impairment or sure just a troll. 

All I said was IF WE WERE GONNA RESTRUCTURE BURROW, we should have done it at the beginning of FA and not now. Because, you know, the whole point of signing clearing cap space is to SIGN FA's, and there aren't really many very left now..

I ask you point blank, and then you respond with more nonsensical drivel about disagreeing with a plan I never advocated for and dodged the initial question. 

Plus, I know damn well you know that we don't have $20 mil in actual space, because I have seen you do the math in other posts. So I know you are trolling. And, we have WAY less than $20 mil, because Trey's raise has to come out of it. He makes $18 now and it is gonna be more like $35. 

$29 - $2 (53 not 51) - $3-$4 mil (PS) - $1 mil (ALL on IR) = $22-$23 mil - Trey - Fant. If Trey's bump costs us $15 (and it could be more), then we have $7-$8 left. Minus Fant. 

You know this, but prattle on and on and on about how terrible it is that we have $20 mil in space at this juncture when you know damn well we don't. 

Apologies for the threadjack, I am just gonna put him on ignore. 

You are the one wo keeps throwing out adding expensive players and Bengals need more money. You are the one claiming the FO should have restructured contracts. I simply pointed out they had a plan and they disagreed with you. Put me on ignore and run. It won't change the facts I just recognized some issues with your. train of thought. Have a great weekend.
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(Yesterday, 06:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Ravens have a top 3 offense in the NFL so yes they have a lot of great players on offense. The Steelers offense not so much overall, the TE room looks great, but lots of question marks including a QB in his 40's who did not look awesome last year even with his favorite target Adams,

Personally i think the Ravens have a Top 3 offense because of their QB, RB, and TE.  I'm not a fan of their WR corp. 

I love Mark Andrews.  However, would you put Isaiah Likely in the Top 20 of TE?  I think the Bengals TE group right now rival Baltimore's. 

On the Steelers, completely agree.  I have no clue why you'd dump Justin Fields for a 45 yo QB in Rodgers.  

I personally think Fields is a good qb just never been in a system on a good team long enough to prove what he can do. 
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(11 hours ago)TJ528 Wrote:
Personally i think the Ravens have a Top 3 offense because of their QB, RB, and TE.  I'm not a fan of their WR corp. 


I love Mark Andrews.  However, would you put Isaiah Likely in the Top 20 of TE?  I think the Bengals TE group right now rival Baltimore's. 

On the Steelers, completely agree.  I have no clue why you'd dump Justin Fields for a 45 yo QB in Rodgers.  

I personally think Fields is a good qb just never been in a system on a good team long enough to prove what he can do. 

I agree they have a top 3 offense because they are more balanced. Their WR group is good in my opinion, but not close to us.
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(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: I agree they have a top 3 offense because they are more balanced. Their WR group is good in my opinion, but not close to us.

I wouldnt say their more balanced.  I would say they use their personnel well. 

When you have a RB in Henry, and a RB in a QB.  That's a strength.  

Bengals are balanced as well, they play to their strength, they have the #1 WR in all of football and probably a Top 10 WR in all of football (when healthy). 

If Chase Brown develops off last year, this could be even more of a balanced offense but you play to your strengths and the Bengals strength is throwing the ball. Ravens is running it.  
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The Bengals could choose to restructure contracts at any time. For those worried we are tight if we give Trey an extra 20 million in 2025, we can do 2 things. We could make it a bonus and push up to 100% of it to years 2026 or 2027. Or we can restucture others. Over the cap say we can get an additional 61 million in cap doing simple restrutures. The point is we have cap money in 2025, cap is not the issue.

https://overthecap.com/restructure

Team Effective Cap Space Simple Restructure Possible Cap Space Maximum Restructure Possible Cap Space


Bengals $24,675,270 $61,391,485 $86,066,755 $88,174,651 $112,849,921
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(10 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: The Bengals could choose to restructure contracts at any time. For those worried we are tight if we give Trey an extra 20 million in 2025, we can do 2 things. We could make it a bonus and push up to 100% of it to years 2026 or 2027. Or we can restucture others. Over the cap say we can get an additional 61 million in cap doing simple restrutures. The point is we have cap money in 2025, cap is not the issue.

https://overthecap.com/restructure

Team    Effective Cap Space Simple Restructure   Possible Cap Space Maximum Restructure                   Possible Cap Space


Bengals             $24,675,270           $61,391,485             $86,066,755                     $88,174,651                                  $112,849,921

I may have missed it, but did the terms of Fant's contract ever get released?
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(Yesterday, 11:12 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Go to your OP > Edit > Full Edit > then change subject title > update post

There is another way. Go to forum post is in (JN), hover over thread title and hold. Title should highlight for editing.
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(8 hours ago)Tomcat Wrote: I may have missed it, but did the terms of Fant's contract ever get released?

Not yet, but expected to be in 5 to 8 million a year range
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For those saying cap space isn't an issue because we can do all this restructuring to free up cap space....

1) Yeah, on paper, we could. But that would require moving that cash into the present to pay the players. I am not sure Brown has enough cashflow to do that sort of thing like Philly & KC do. In fact, I know he doesn't.

Now, maybe enough for a moderate one? Maybe.

2) But again, IF we were gonna do that, I think we'd have done it already, as the utility of having that extra cap room was much greater earlier in FA than it is now. Yes?

Now, maybe Mike Brown has been a bit slow on the uptake and is all of a sudden gonna push all his $$ in the middle and go all in in 2025 when he wasn't willing to before.

Maybe Fant was viewed as such a valuable addition that Brown is willing to dig deeper for him than a G or S.

IDK, but I will continue to be skeptical of the notion that we do much/any restructuring at this late stage.

And I will continue to be ofcthe opinion if we were willing to do it now, it was extremely dumb not to do it before. When better FA's were available.
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(8 hours ago)Luvnit2 Wrote: Not yet, but expected to be in 5 to 8 million a year range

Do we know if it is a one year deal or more? I would love it if we had Noah for at least a couple of years as he is 3 years younger than Mike G.
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(7 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Do we know if it is a one year deal or more? I would love it if we had Noah for at least a couple of years as he is 3 years younger than Mike G.

1 year deal per Hobs.
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(7 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: 1 year deal per Hobs.

Eh damn, still better than nothing, thanks JJ22.
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(7 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Eh damn, still better than nothing, thanks JJ22.

I know right. Given he is only 26 it would have been nice to get him for a couple years. I think given they gave  3 years to MG, it probably made it hard to do a longer deal. Sounds like they weren't expecting to sign another TE but where high on Fant and couldn't pass up the opportunity to grab him.
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(7 hours ago)jj22 Wrote: 1 year deal per Hobs.

We might still be counting on All next year.
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(5 hours ago)puddycat Wrote: We might still be counting on All next year.

You are not wrong. Though, given his injury history, I hope we never count on him again. 

But 1 year of Fant does buy us time. He couid stick around. Another draft. Another round of FA. 

At least Taylor seems to have had his eyes opened on the value of a good 2 way TE. 
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(7 hours ago)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: For those saying cap space isn't an issue because we can do all this restructuring to free up cap space....

1) Yeah, on paper, we could. But that would require moving that cash into the present to pay the players. I am not sure Brown has enough cashflow to do that sort of thing like Philly & KC do. In fact, I know he doesn't.

Now, maybe enough for a moderate one? Maybe.

2) But again, IF we were gonna do that, I think we'd have done it already, as the utility of having that extra cap room was much greater earlier in FA than it is now. Yes?

Now, maybe Mike Brown has been a bit slow on the uptake and is all of a sudden gonna push all his $$ in the middle and go all in in 2025 when he wasn't willing to before.

Maybe Fant was viewed as such a valuable addition that Brown is willing to dig deeper for him than a G or S.

IDK, but I will continue to be skeptical of the notion that we do much/any restructuring at this late stage.

And I will continue to be ofcthe opinion if we were willing to do it now, it was extremely dumb not to do it before. When better FA's were available.

Well, he just got over $400 million from TV this week, so I think he would have the cash to do something with a couple guys if he needed to.
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