Stewart is signed!

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 04:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Basically the position Trey plays most of the time. Wide 9. I don't know if it's called Over or Outside. I've heard it both ways. 

It's a stand up 5 tech right? LE/RE would be 5 tech and 4 tech. ROLB/LOLB would be 6, 7 , and 9 tech.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 04:46 PM)Synric Wrote: It's a stand up 6 tech right? LE/RE would be 5 tech and 4 tech. ROLB/LOLB would be 7 tech and 9 tech.

That's kinda where i'm confused about what terminology they use for what. Trey lines up almost 50/50 between REO and ROLB. By pure positional alignment you are correct. OLB would have to be 7/9 but i've seen 6/7 (with Trey) with either hand down or stand up...so i'd say to be correct, as you said, REO LEO would be 6/7 (hand up or down?) and ROLB and LOLB would be 7/9 standing up. 

I don't study this nearly enough so i should probably just wait for people that know more to chime in. 

EDIT: 5/6   7/9

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2025, 04:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Basically the position Trey plays most of the time. Wide 9. I don't know if it's called Over or Outside. I've heard it both ways. 

Cool, still I see Shemar was lined up all over the place. Those stats don't really show exactly what Gap he is lined up over.

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 04:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That's kinda where i'm confused about what terminology they use for what. Trey lines up almost 50/50 between REO and ROLB. By pure positional alignment you are correct. OLB would have to be 7/9 but i've seen 6/7 (with Trey) with either hand down or stand up...so i'd say to be correct, as you said, REO LEO would be 6/7 (hand up or down?) and ROLB and LOLB would be 7/9 standing up. 

I don't study this nearly enough so i should probably just wait for people that know more to chime in. 

EDIT: 5/6   7/9

I'm a dumbass its probably.

RE/LE - 5 Tech (Outside shoulder of OT) and 4 Tech (directly over OT)
REO/LEO - Hand Down 6 Tech (Inside shoulder of TE), 7 Tech (directly over TE), 9 Tech (Outside shoulder of TE)
ROLB/LOLB - Stand up 6, 7, 9 Tech with some "5" Tech (space because of TE alignment)

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 05:23 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a dumbass its probably.

RE/LE - 5 Tech (Outside shoulder of OT) and 4 Tech (directly over OT)
REO/LEO - Hand Down 6 Tech (Inside shoulder of TE), 7 Tech (directly over TE), 9 Tech (Outside shoulder of TE)
ROLB/LOLB - Stand up 6, 7, 9 Tech with some "5" Tech (space because of TE alignment)

So that's where my confusion sets in. Even numbers line up directly over so i'd expect 6 to be directly over the TE (0 over C, 2 over G, 4 over T). Odd numbers shade outside, interior even numbers shading inside (2i G, 4i T). Where it gets a little funky is the TE. The numbers aren't linear out there. From my understanding, 6 head up on the TE but then 7 is shading inside the TE and 9 is shading outside the TE...(two odd numbers)

I wonder how much freedom Trey has to decide hand down or stand up because like i said, i've seen him do it multiple ways. 

I agree w/4, 5 being LE/RE. 
With what i said above about the TE, i wonder if 6/7 is LEO/REO w/ some 5 depending on spacing (as you said above about OLB), with hand down.
Which would leave 6/7/9 standing up as LOLB/ROLB.

I just wonder if the presence or not of a TE has anything to do with determining it?

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 05:14 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Cool, still I see Shemar was lined up all over the place. Those stats don't really show exactly what Gap he is lined up over.

Well...based on what we're talking about on alignment, it looks like he plays closer to the tackle almost 2x as much as further away. So i would think, if he's in for Trey, he should get more opportunities to use his athleticism to get around the T. He's gotta work on those hands though and not allowing the T to clamp him down. Something Trey excells at. Shemar can't just rely on his brute strenght to get him to the QB if he's out wider. 

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 05:47 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So that's where my confusion sets in. Even numbers line up directly over so i'd expect 6 to be directly over the TE (0 over C, 2 over G, 4 over T). Odd numbers shade outside, interior even numbers shading inside (2i G, 4i T). Where it gets a little funky is the TE. The numbers aren't linear out there. From my understanding, 6 head up on the TE but then 7 is shading inside the TE and 9 is shading outside the TE...(two odd numbers)

I wonder how much freedom Trey has to decide hand down or stand up because like i said, i've seen him do it multiple ways. 

I agree w/4, 5 being LE/RE. 
With what i said above about the TE, i wonder if 6/7 is LEO/REO w/ some 5 depending on spacing (as you said above about OLB), with hand down.
Which would leave 6/7/9 standing up as LOLB/ROLB.

I just wonder if the presence or not of a TE has anything to do with determining it?

You can still have your hand down in a 9 tech. Jim Schwartz does it quite a bit. It gets really fun when you going goalline and short yardage where you throw the 8 tech over the wing outside the 9t.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(07-29-2025, 05:23 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a dumbass its probably.

RE/LE - 5 Tech (Outside shoulder of OT) and 4 Tech (directly over OT)
REO/LEO - Hand Down 6 Tech (Inside shoulder of TE), 7 Tech (directly over TE), 9 Tech (Outside shoulder of TE)
ROLB/LOLB - Stand up 6, 7, 9 Tech with some "5" Tech (space because of TE alignment)

You are anything but a dumbass lol

Thanks Synric. I didn't know all that. 

Figured they had different techs and terms for gaps but that actually helps bring it all together for this dumbass.

(07-29-2025, 05:55 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Well...based on what we're talking about on alignment, it looks like he plays closer to the tackle almost 2x as much as further away. So i would think, if he's in for Trey, he should get more opportunities to use his athleticism to get around the T. He's gotta work on those hands though and not allowing the T to clamp him down. Something Trey excells at. Shemar can't just rely on his brute strenght to get him to the QB if he's out wider. 

Completely agree with all of that Rfaulk. Shemar has got to work on his hands as you say, no one does it better than Trey.

[Luvnit2]

Good news is it appears Trey will be in camp as soon as possibly tomorrow to teach Stewart and others tehnique

[jj22]

He came in with a good attitude and approach. Sounds like he moved on from the contract situation.

Good to see he hadn’t lost his enthusiasm.

[XsandOs]

(07-29-2025, 04:39 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Basically the position Trey plays most of the time. Wide 9. I don't know if it's called Over or Outside. I've heard it both ways. 

(07-29-2025, 04:46 PM)Synric Wrote: It's a stand up 5 tech right? LE/RE would be 5 tech and 4 tech. ROLB/LOLB would be 6, 7 , and 9 tech.

(07-29-2025, 04:53 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That's kinda where i'm confused about what terminology they use for what. Trey lines up almost 50/50 between REO and ROLB. By pure positional alignment you are correct. OLB would have to be 7/9 but i've seen 6/7 (with Trey) with either hand down or stand up...so i'd say to be correct, as you said, REO LEO would be 6/7 (hand up or down?) and ROLB and LOLB would be 7/9 standing up. 

I don't study this nearly enough so i should probably just wait for people that know more to chime in. 

EDIT: 5/6   7/9

(07-29-2025, 05:23 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a dumbass its probably.

RE/LE - 5 Tech (Outside shoulder of OT) and 4 Tech (directly over OT)
REO/LEO - Hand Down 6 Tech (Inside shoulder of TE), 7 Tech (directly over TE), 9 Tech (Outside shoulder of TE)
ROLB/LOLB - Stand up 6, 7, 9 Tech with some "5" Tech (space because of TE alignment)

(07-29-2025, 05:47 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: So that's where my confusion sets in. Even numbers line up directly over so i'd expect 6 to be directly over the TE (0 over C, 2 over G, 4 over T). Odd numbers shade outside, interior even numbers shading inside (2i G, 4i T). Where it gets a little funky is the TE. The numbers aren't linear out there. From my understanding, 6 head up on the TE but then 7 is shading inside the TE and 9 is shading outside the TE...(two odd numbers)

I wonder how much freedom Trey has to decide hand down or stand up because like i said, i've seen him do it multiple ways. 

I agree w/4, 5 being LE/RE. 
With what i said above about the TE, i wonder if 6/7 is LEO/REO w/ some 5 depending on spacing (as you said above about OLB), with hand down.
Which would leave 6/7/9 standing up as LOLB/ROLB.

I just wonder if the presence or not of a TE has anything to do with determining it?

(07-29-2025, 06:37 PM)Synric Wrote: You can still have your hand down in a 9 tech. Jim Schwartz does it quite a bit. It gets really fun when you going goalline and short yardage where you throw the 8 tech over the wing outside the 9t.

My apologies in advance if this topic has ended, or I stating the obvious. But following is the basic Bryant/Phillips numbering system.


There are specific differences between 3-4 and 4-3 responsibility (run defense in 2 point stance/rush in three point), where the DE lines up relative to the outside foot of the offensive "end", how does the DE line up (perpendicular to or in an angle to the line), etc.  

As an off topic, the weakness in the wide alignment in traditional 4-3 is defending the run and exposing the C-Gap - unless the DT is in 3 tech or a LB is protecting it..
  

[*Synric*]

(07-29-2025, 09:17 PM)XsandOs Wrote: My apologies in advance if this topic has ended, or I stating the obvious. But following is the basic Bryant/Phillips numbering system.


There are specific differences between 3-4 and 4-3 responsibility (run defense in 2 point stance/rush in three point), where the DE lines up relative to the outside foot of the offensive "end", how does the DE line up (perpendicular to or in an angle to the line), etc.  

As an off topic, the weakness in the wide alignment in traditional 4-3 is defending the run and exposing the C-Gap - unless the DT is in 3 tech or a LB is protecting it..
  

Depends on spacing too. A 43 DE can play anywhere from 5t all they way out to 9t. (Besides heads up on the TE 6t or 7t depending on who taught you the system) 

[J24]

(07-29-2025, 05:23 PM)Synric Wrote: I'm a dumbass its probably.

RE/LE - 5 Tech (Outside shoulder of OT) and 4 Tech (directly over OT)
REO/LEO - Hand Down 6 Tech (Inside shoulder of TE), 7 Tech (directly over TE), 9 Tech (Outside shoulder of TE)
ROLB/LOLB - Stand up 6, 7, 9 Tech with some "5" Tech (space because of TE alignment)

Wait I thought a 4 tech was DT or is that just a 4I? 

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-29-2025, 09:17 PM)XsandOs Wrote: My apologies in advance if this topic has ended, or I stating the obvious. But following is the basic Bryant/Phillips numbering system.


There are specific differences between 3-4 and 4-3 responsibility (run defense in 2 point stance/rush in three point), where the DE lines up relative to the outside foot of the offensive "end", how does the DE line up (perpendicular to or in an angle to the line), etc.  

As an off topic, the weakness in the wide alignment in traditional 4-3 is defending the run and exposing the C-Gap - unless the DT is in 3 tech or a LB is protecting it..
  

That's the crazy/interesting/fun thing about schemes and 'games' and strategy. It's like playdoh. You can shape and mold it so many ways and it can keep you busy for hours going over all the things you can do with just 22 guys on a field.

[XsandOs]

(07-29-2025, 10:08 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That's the crazy/interesting/fun thing about schemes and 'games' and strategy. It's like playdoh. You can shape and mold it so many ways and it can keep you busy for hours going over all the things you can do with just 22 guys on a field.

I agree. 

The beauty of Football to me is when the Xs and Os match up perfectly. Right defense called/adjusted against the offensive play, after all the eye candy motions.

That is when you see if your talent can beat their talent. And this is when you see the weak links and stars separate themselves from the rest.

[XsandOs]

(07-29-2025, 09:20 PM)Synric Wrote: Depends on spacing too. A 43 DE can play anywhere from 5t all they way out to 9t. (Besides heads up on the TE 6t or 7t depending on who taught you the system) 

Absolutely.

[Sled21]

(07-29-2025, 04:00 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I don't care what team he goes to. If he looks like a clunker on tape, he's a clunker. 

EDIT: I don't feel he's "destined" to be a bust. I just feel he's leaning that way.

Without him ever playing one game you've already formed your opinion?
Might I remind everyone we drafted a DT, who's college production put him in the 4th round of the draft, who will soon be going into the HOF as a First Ballot (or should be, but may not because he's a Bengal)

[Nicomo Cosca]

(Yesterday, 07:57 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Without him ever playing one game you've already formed your opinion?
Might I remind everyone we drafted a DT, who's college production put him in the 4th round of the draft, who will soon be going into the HOF as a First Ballot (or should be, but may not because he's a Bengal)

Really bad comparison. Geno had 7.5 sacks his sophomore season alone at Georgia. Stewart had 4.5 in 3 years.

Geno fell to the 4th because of his size.

[Sled21]

(Yesterday, 09:08 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Really bad comparison. Geno had 7.5 sacks his sophomore season alone at Georgia. Stewart had 4.5 in 3 years.

Geno fell to the 4th because of his size.

Right, they said he could not transition to an NFL DT because he was too short. Point being, NOBODY knows who is going to make the transition and who is not until the game is played. James Harrison wasn't even drafted for crying out loud. Anybody that thinks they know who will make the jump and who won't is just full of it.

[TecmoBengals]

(Yesterday, 09:35 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Anybody that thinks they know who will make the jump and who won't is just full of it.

Including you in post #606 of this thread: https://thebengalsboard.com/thread-40710-page-31.html ,right?

You wrote "Both of them are going to have a big jump this season. And we'll have to revisit this thread then" regarding Jackson and Jenkins.