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The Good, Bad, and Fugly; Preseason Game 1
(Yesterday, 07:05 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: How many games did we lose because we couldn’t make a stop to end the game? A lot

There were (im gonna say several) that the defense was putrid but still managed to get some stops at the end but our offense also failed which ended in loses. I dont know if you were disagreeing or not but stops just during the game can give us a chance to get the lead. I dont know that's not a good point. My expectation or hope for this season will be that we find our way as it goes. Im thinking like that 08 team when Palmer was hurt our defense was bad but we started figuring it out towards the end of the year. I still think we really need to add some outside talent at atleast one position group but hopefully two. If only for depth sake.
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(Yesterday, 07:41 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: There were (im gonna say several) that the defense was putrid but still managed to get some stops at the end but our offense also failed which ended in loses. I dont know if you were disagreeing or not but stops just during the game can give us a chance to get the lead. I dont know that's not a good point. My expectation or hope for this season will be that we find our way as it goes. Im thinking like that 08 team when Palmer was hurt our defense was bad but we started figuring it out towards the end of the year. I still think we really need to add some outside talent at atleast one position group but hopefully two. If only for depth sake.

I agree, we need stops during the game, including the opponents last drive. Unfortunately we had very few 3 and out stops without a TO, and that’s a big problem.

We couldn’t stop NE to get the ball back, couldn’t stop KC for the win, couldn’t stop Washington but once, couldn’t stop Philadelphia ever, couldn’t stop Baltimore in both games, couldn’t stop Pittsburgh at home to get the ball back and couldn’t stop San Diego after missed FG.

It would be nice to have a defense and can stop someone once in a while,
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(Yesterday, 07:52 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: I agree, we need stops during the game, including the opponents last drive. Unfortunately we had very few 3 and out stops without a TO, and that’s a big problem.

We couldn’t stop NE to get the ball back, couldn’t stop KC for the win, couldn’t stop Washington but once, couldn’t stop Philadelphia ever, couldn’t stop Baltimore in both games, couldn’t stop Pittsburgh at home to get the ball back and couldn’t stop San Diego after missed FG.

It would be nice to have a defense and can stop someone once in a while,

I do think we had stops in most of the games that you mentioned that opened the door for a win. But I agree with your point that at the end of the day it wasn't enough. 
I think people need to expect this defense to have its fair amount of struggles this year. We aren't going to be the 21' or 22' defense. I like the group we have and think they can be good enough but we are razor thin at CB and S. Hopefully a guy like Dax can stay healthy and start to make some explosive plays for the defense.
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FWIW, offense:

Game 1, NE. Down 16-10, got ball back with 3 minutes to go. 3 and out. Punt. Never gotball back. 0-1.

Down 2 scores we got a FG earlier to cut it to 6.
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Game 2: KC

Up 22-17 with the ball,,Burrow gets sacked & run back for a TD. 

Down 23-22. 53 yard FG after stupid penalty on Chase kills drive. 

Up 25-22, 7 min. No points. 
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Game 3: Washington. 

D could not get ball back, we lost. Offense did it's job. Kept cutting it to 1 score. 
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Game 4: Carolina: 4th  up 31-21. 
Bengals interception.
Panthers FG
Bengals punt. 
Panthers punt. 
Bengals FG. 
Game end during Panthers drive. 

Yeah, the offense scored a 4th Q FG to go up 2 scores  butcafter a pick and a punt. D only gave up a FG after the pick.
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Game 5: Baltimore, 4th up 24-21. 
Bengals TD, up 31-21 
Ravens TD, 31-28 
Bengals TD, 38-28 
Ravens TD, 38-35 
Bengals interception inside 35
Ravens FG, 38-38 
Bengals punt
OT: Ravens fumble 
Bengals: 0 yards  missed FG 
Ravens FG

O had a chance to ice and 2 chances to win and choked them all.
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In 3 of the first 5, the O could have won the game for us but didn't. 
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(Yesterday, 08:09 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I do think we had stops in most of the games that you mentioned that opened the door for a win. But I agree with your point that at the end of the day it wasn't enough. 
I think people need to expect this defense to have its fair amount of struggles this year. We aren't going to be the 21' or 22' defense. I like the group we have and think they can be good enough but we are razor thin at CB and S. Hopefully a guy like Dax can stay healthy and start to make some explosive plays 
That’s why I think it’s important we show what we got next week against Washington. If it’s not good enough, we need to start searching the waiver wire for players. Al Golden is on a short leash as everyone is expecting improvement, and the boo birds will be out in force.
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TBH I've never at any point felt that this team did enough to fix the defense in the offseason. The Trey situation makes it even worse.

Even so, I still think that it's a bit early to write them off. Maybe they round into shape at some point. Too many starters didn't play for me to view what we saw yesterday as anything close to a finished product.

All that said, Ossai and Murphy are looking pretty disappointing. Ossai was brought back on a deal that wasn't exactly throw-away money. He's on a one year deal and could make himself a fortune if he produces. Murphy is a first rounder that can't beat 3rd stringers. These guys are playing for their livelihoods and generational money. If they can't elevate their game in 2025, then they flat out don't have it.
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(Yesterday, 08:09 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: FWIW, offense:

Game 1, NE. Down 16-10, got ball back with 3 minutes to go. 3 and out. Punt. Never gotball back. 0-1.

Down 2 scores we got a FG earlier to cut it to 6.
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Game 2: KC

Up 22-17 with the ball,,Burrow gets sacked & run back for a TD. 

Down 23-22. 53 yard FG after stupid penalty on Chase kills drive. 

Up 25-22, 7 min. No points. 
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Game 3: Washington. 

D could not get ball back, we lost. Offense did it's job. Kept cutting it to 1 score. 
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Game 4: Carolina: 4th  up 31-21. 
Bengals interception.
Panthers FG
Bengals punt. 
Panthers punt. 
Bengals FG. 
Game end during Panthers drive. 

Yeah, the offense scored a 4th Q FG to go up 2 scores  butcafter a pick and a punt. D only gave up a FG after the pick.
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Game 5: Baltimore, 4th up 24-21. 
Bengals TD, up 31-21 
Ravens TD, 31-28 
Bengals TD, 38-28 
Ravens TD, 38-35 
Bengals interception inside 35
Ravens FG, 38-38 
Bengals punt
OT: Ravens fumble 
Bengals: 0 yards  missed FG 
Ravens FG

O had a chance to ice and 2 chances to win and choked them all.
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In 3 of the first 5, the O could have won the game for us but didn't. 

I agree the offense could have put more points on the board, but the offense did finish 1st,  QB 1st, and the defense finished 27th in points. You can only improve so much when you 1st, but you can improve a lot from 27th.
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(Yesterday, 08:15 PM)samhain Wrote: TBH I've never at any point felt that this team did enough to fix the defense in the offseason.  The Trey situation makes it even worse.  

Even so, I still think that it's a bit early to write them off.  Maybe they round into shape at some point.  Too many starters didn't play for me to view what we saw yesterday as anything close to a finished product.  

All that said, Ossai and Murphy are looking pretty disappointing.  Ossai was brought back on a deal that wasn't exactly throw-away money.  He's on a one year deal and could make himself a fortune if he produces.  Murphy is a first rounder that can't beat 3rd stringers.  These guys are playing for their livelihoods and generational money.  If they can't elevate their game in 2025, then they flat out don't have it.

I was disappointed in our draft and not going after FA players on defense. Everyone is expecting miracles from Al Golden, and I not sure he can turn water to wine. Lol
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(Yesterday, 08:19 PM)Timanky12 Wrote: I was disappointed in our draft and not going after FA players on defense. Everyone is expecting miracles from Al Golden, and I not sure he can turn water to wine. Lol

People need to relax. It's week 2 of training camp and the 1st pre-season game. OTA's are shorts football. Other than that, Golden is not allowed to coach the players. Did people really expect him to make a great turnaround in the first two weeks? I'm sure he has stayed awake studying the good and the bad, and will address it this week.
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It's weird when you realize we were a blown Mac GWFG he usually makes from the playoffs and that FG and the refs blowing a call badly at the end of the second Rats game from winning the AFCN. Had both of those gone our way we would have been Div champ and the rats would not have made the playoffs. Hopefully this year we get the bounces because we didn't last year.
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They should have sat Stewart at least this game. To give him a chance to get his feet under him. I get why they played him. If it to get him snaps. Ok. But they did him no favors throwing him out there with no spring and late for camp.
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Rookie watch:



Shemar---looked like my assessment of his college game film. couple of athletic near misses. disappearing for stretches. a splash play that was the result of cleaning up after the guy who really created it in Howard Cross.



Knight--pretty much invisible. hoping for more than that.



Fairchild--2 series and already saying "Who is Cordell Volson again?' His recovery ability was very impressive. a few blocks where he looked like he was losing leverage, then anchoring fought his defender to a draw. Something you can't teach. Either you got that kind of ability or you don't.



Brooks--basically a cheaper version of Samaje to my eye.



Carter--got burned on a TD catch where he spent too much time and effort redirecting the TE. Rookie stuff that can be coached away.



Cross--impressed with his first step, has some definite quicks. I could see him taking Cam Samples place as the inside/outside guy. Cam didn't look like he had regained his speed and quickness that he showed in last year's camp before he tore that achilles.






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(Yesterday, 08:25 PM)Sled21 Wrote: People need to relax. It's week 2 of training camp and the 1st pre-season game. OTA's are shorts football. Other than that, Golden is not allowed to coach the players. Did people really expect him to make a great turnaround in the first two weeks? I'm sure he has stayed awake studying the good and the bad, and will address it this week.

I agree, it's much too early to begin doubting the new DC. As you alluded to, he's only had two weeks to teach a defense that is significantly different than what the team ran last year. It's already been stated by some players that the plan was kept "vanilla" on purpose, and I'm guessing that is because they don't want to reveal what they're actually going to do. People upset about who's running with the ones, twos, etc. need to forget about all of that because Trey and BJ didn't play. They are the heart of the DL and did not play, so the 2s actually started on DL.

I seen a few things here and there that told me that Golden's system was different and that it has a chance of working once everyone gets up to speed.
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(Yesterday, 08:25 PM)Sled21 Wrote: People need to relax. It's week 2 of training camp and the 1st pre-season game. OTA's are shorts football. Other than that, Golden is not allowed to coach the players. Did people really expect him to make a great turnaround in the first two weeks? I'm sure he has stayed awake studying the good and the bad, and will address it this week.

Completely agree
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(Yesterday, 08:09 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: FWIW, offense:

Game 1, NE. Down 16-10, got ball back with 3 minutes to go. 3 and out. Punt. Never gotball back. 0-1.

Down 2 scores we got a FG earlier to cut it to 6.
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Game 2: KC

Up 22-17 with the ball,,Burrow gets sacked & run back for a TD. 

Down 23-22. 53 yard FG after stupid penalty on Chase kills drive. 

Up 25-22, 7 min. No points. 
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Game 3: Washington. 

D could not get ball back, we lost. Offense did it's job. Kept cutting it to 1 score. 
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Game 4: Carolina: 4th  up 31-21. 
Bengals interception.
Panthers FG
Bengals punt. 
Panthers punt. 
Bengals FG. 
Game end during Panthers drive. 

Yeah, the offense scored a 4th Q FG to go up 2 scores  butcafter a pick and a punt. D only gave up a FG after the pick.
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Game 5: Baltimore, 4th up 24-21. 
Bengals TD, up 31-21 
Ravens TD, 31-28 
Bengals TD, 38-28 
Ravens TD, 38-35 
Bengals interception inside 35
Ravens FG, 38-38 
Bengals punt
OT: Ravens fumble 
Bengals: 0 yards  missed FG 
Ravens FG

O had a chance to ice and 2 chances to win and choked them all.
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In 3 of the first 5, the O could have won the game for us but didn't. 

Yeah there were several. The chargers game stands out as well D terrible 1st half but dang near blanked em in the 2nd half and had a couple stops after the game tied up but we couldn't score.

I had seen a clip early in the off season that was all our 4th down attempts. Every failed one was a stuffed run or pressure up the middle in Burrows face. Why I wanted them to go a little more in FA at guard. No matter what the defense will most likely have a learning curve with new faces. But had we added Zietler with Fairchild this offense might not be stopped or atleast be very clutch in those late game situations. 
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(Yesterday, 02:57 PM)Ell Prez Wrote: But they didn’t play against eagles starters. It was some of our starters and some back ups vs backups Eagles!

The defense should have dominated against their backups.

CTB and Dax hill aren’t saving this defense lol. Changing coordinators won’t do anything. The players suck (defense).

For crying out loud, they didn't even game plan. Take a chill 
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(Yesterday, 05:58 PM)jj22 Wrote: I don't have you on ignore. I don't ignore people why would I? When have I not been able to handle you guys?

If I ignore a post of yours it's because I choose not to reply. Don't let me know that bothers you.... 

Interesting, I can't PM you, so I figured you had me on ignore (that's what happens when someone has you on ignore, I've been told).
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That was great first 5 games in 2024 trip down memory lane. The truth is not too may teams will be able to shut our offense down if they stay healthy. Our offense gives us the ability to make up for the defense. But they can't be asked to also make up for poor special teams, MAC cost us 2 games in 2024. I have faith he will redeem himself.

I also think our offense needs to do a better job in the 4th quarter putting games away, too many times in past few years the offense (our strength) failed to get first downs and run out the clock or add a late score.

The defense definitely looked very bad last night as did our 2nd and 3rd string offense. I will reserve real judgment until after week 1, but I know I would not be thrilled to have to play our offense if a defender on another team. They put over 30 on the Ravens not once but twice last year d the Ravens always have a good defense.

On to next preseeason game and practices to be ready for Browns week 1.
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(Yesterday, 05:48 PM)jj22 Wrote: Trey was out. But the other "several" was the same starters for last seasons bad defense.... If the starters from last season that played didn't show any improvement, why think the 3 non Trey starters that missed would?  95% of the defensive starters played.... And flailed against backups.. 

What is 7 divided by 11?



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(Today, 12:51 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: What is 7 divided by 11?

What is 63.6% 
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