(08-10-2025, 01:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They're probably going to move FG poles from the back of the endzone to another 5 yards back to the seating wall soon.
Or how about this, instead of increasing distance requirements increase the precision demand. A group of field goals. One normal width in the middle good for 1 point for an extra point so no change there. But also only worth 1 point on a field goal attempt. Then two more narrow ones on each side worth 3 points for a field goal made.
Heck make it even more fun and change the field goals to some kind of different sized baskets they have to land the ball in for various points. Since baskets would take up more space they could roll them onto the field during tries and even advertise on them like the Salvation Army bucket.
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(08-10-2025, 01:49 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They're probably going to move FG poles from the back of the endzone to another 5 yards back to the seating wall soon.
I hope not. This was a freak thing, and they were testing his leg. He can't do that on a consistent basis. If he can? Then Kuddo's to the team, scouts, etc., that trusted in this kid and did their research.
(08-10-2025, 03:22 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: No one can post a video of this?
Seems like it's kind of a big deal!
That's pretty UNREAL! Imagine how much that changes their situational play calling before halftime or before the end of games!
Yes, it's a big deal. Which is why I stated the above. It would be horrible to penalize every kicker in the league for something 1 man is able to do.
(08-10-2025, 06:57 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: I hope not. This was a freak thing, and they were testing his leg. He can't do that on a consistent basis. If he can? Then Kuddo's to the team, scouts, etc., that trusted in this kid and did their research.
Yes, it's a big deal. Which is why I stated the above. It would be horrible to penalize every kicker in the league for something 1 man is able to do.
It wouldn't be just because of this kid. It's been brought up a bit over the last two years.
3 different teams made at least one 60+ yard FG last year.
26 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG last year.
All 32 teams made at least one 50 yard FG last year.
4 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
21 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
Go back 10 years to 2014...
0 teams made a FG of 60+ yards.
12 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG.
29 different teams made at least one 50 yard FG.
0 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
7 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
They went from 0.2 made 50+ yard FGs per game to 0.4, doubling in frequency. 2011 was the first year it reached 0.2, too. So it's actually quadrupled in frequency in the last 14 years.
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Combine that with the ball often starting on the 30 now and it's too damn easy to get in FG range now. They either need to move the post back 5 yards to the wall, or they need to make the uprights more narrow.
(08-10-2025, 07:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It wouldn't be just because of this kid. It's been brought up a bit over the last two years.
3 different teams made at least one 60+ yard FG last year.
26 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG last year.
All 32 teams made at least one 50 yard FG last year.
4 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
21 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
Go back 10 years to 2014...
0 teams made a FG of 60+ yards.
12 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG.
29 different teams made at least one 50 yard FG.
0 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
7 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
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Combine that with the ball often starting on the 30 now and it's too damn easy to get in FG range now. They either need to move the post back 5 yards to the wall, or they need to make the uprights more narrow.
Ok. But, is this a reason to change it? I get so tired of the NFL changing the rules. It's an achievement. All they do when they mess with this shit is preserve old-time records. Every one of these kids worked hard to achieve what they have and the rules should not be changed IMO.
(08-10-2025, 07:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It wouldn't be just because of this kid. It's been brought up a bit over the last two years.
3 different teams made at least one 60+ yard FG last year.
26 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG last year.
All 32 teams made at least one 50 yard FG last year.
4 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
21 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
Go back 10 years to 2014...
0 teams made a FG of 60+ yards.
12 different teams made at least one 55+ yard FG.
29 different teams made at least one 50 yard FG.
0 teams made at least 10 FGs of 50+ yards.
7 teams made at least 5 FGs of 50+ yards.
They went from 0.2 made 50+ yard FGs per game to 0.4, doubling in frequency. 2011 was the first year it reached 0.2, too. So it's actually quadrupled in frequency in the last 14 years.
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Combine that with the ball often starting on the 30 now and it's too damn easy to get in FG range now. They either need to move the post back 5 yards to the wall, or they need to make the uprights more narrow.
How many opposing teams scored on the drive after one of those missed fiel goals? I'm sure they have it somewhere; the NFL statisticians track everything.
Right now, most of those uber long kick attemps are only happening at the end of games...too much of a field position risk otherwise
(Yesterday, 09:22 AM)pally Wrote: How many opposing teams scored on the drive after one of those missed fiel goals? I'm sure they have it somewhere; the NFL statisticians track everything.
Right now, most of those uber long kick attemps are only happening at the end of games...too much of a field position risk otherwise
Don't have that number, but I do have this...
FGs of 50+ Yards
1994: 66 attempted / 24 made (36.4%)
2004: 91 attempted / 53 made (58.2%)
2014: 154 attempted / 94 made (61.0%)
2024: 279 attempted / 195 made (69.9%)
(Yesterday, 09:57 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Don't have that number, but I do have this...
FGs of 50+ Yards
1994: 66 attempted / 24 made (36.4%)
2004: 91 attempted / 53 made (58.2%)
2014: 154 attempted / 94 made (61.0%)
2024: 279 attempted / 195 made (69.9%)
Teams shouldn't be "punished" for working hard to keep special teams a vital part of the game. Even what looks like a simple field goal requires complete precision from all parts of the play, not to mention the kicker who worked so hard to develop the length and accuracy of those kicks. It's just the level to which the game is played today.
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(Yesterday, 08:40 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Teams shouldn't be "punished" for working hard to keep special teams a vital part of the game. Even what looks like a simple field goal requires complete precision from all parts of the play, not to mention the kicker who worked so hard to develop the length and accuracy of those kicks. It's just the level to which the game is played today.
They've already done it before....
The goalpost was moved back 10 yards in 1973.
The PAT got moved back 13 yards in just 2015.
FG attempts inside of 50 yards last year were made at a 88.7% rate. If QBs had their completion percentage rise up to 88.9%, there'd be rule changes there too.
Just like MLB lowered the mound and there's talk about doing it again. If it's largely a foregone conclusion, it's not entertainment. It's why when PATs were made at a >99% rate, plenty of people used PATs as bathroom breaks.
(Yesterday, 08:54 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They've already done it before....
The goalpost was moved back 10 yards in 1973.
The PAT got moved back 13 yards in just 2015.
FG attempts inside of 50 yards last year were made at a 88.7% rate. If QBs had their completion percentage rise up to 88.9%, there'd be rule changes there too.
Just like MLB lowered the mound and there's talk about doing it again. If it's largely a foregone conclusion, it's not entertainment. It's why when PATs were made at a >99% rate, plenty of people used PATs as bathroom breaks.
Not sure that a routine PAT from the 2, compared to a dramatic long FG attempt are equal comparison for when viewers take bathroom breaks. It's the League's presentation of the game that allows for the bathroom breaks. Everyone knows that there's 3-5 minutes of commercials between possessions. As a viewing fan, I like knowing when it's time to check on the food.
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(Yesterday, 08:58 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Not sure that a routine PAT from the 2, compared to a dramatic long FG attempt are equal comparison for when viewers take bathroom breaks. It's the League's presentation of the game that allows for the bathroom breaks. Everyone knows that there's 3-5 minutes of commercials between possessions. As a viewing fan, I like knowing when it's time to check on the food.
It's not just the dramatic long FGs that I think they'll change the posts either location or width for. It's even the intermediate stuff that's becoming too easy.
30-39 yd FGs were a 94.3% last season
Twenty years ago it was 81.5%
Twenty years before that it was 74.9%
They showed when the kickoff became a boring automatic touchback for awhile there that they're not going to let automatic plays stand for long anymore.
(11 hours ago)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: It's not just the dramatic long FGs that I think they'll change the posts either location or width for. It's even the intermediate stuff that's becoming too easy.
30-39 yd FGs were a 94.3% last season
Twenty years ago it was 81.5%
Twenty years before that it was 74.9%
They showed when the kickoff became a boring automatic touchback for awhile there that they're not going to let automatic plays stand for long anymore.
Again, that's a bad comparison between a kickoff for touchback to a dramatic long FG attempt. Sure, the KO changes have definitely made things interesting, I just wonder how long until one group starts arguing about that being unfair.
Honestly? I'd like to see the NFL go back to 1985 rules. Why, you might ask? Because when they started giving the QB extra protection rules, it became a blank check for some teams to go cheap on OL and just focus on skill players.
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