Bengals to host Dalton Risner on a FA visit

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 07:22 PM)Stewy Wrote: How about watching the video before talking out your rear?

He was "good" on like 4 plays, not 12.  He was getting beat like a drum in the marching band.

I rewatched it and agree with RFaulk, Patrick was good more than bad. But I am no OL expert

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2025, 07:24 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: So injuries are why the Bengals are looking at Risner? Not because they realize they need to upgrade?

Sadly, that does appear to be the case. Their cheap asses thought that a dumpster dive find like Lucas Patrick was going to be the answer.

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sadly, that does appear to be the case. Their cheap asses thought that a dumpster dive find like Lucas Patrick was going to be the answer.

Yeah those cheap asses may have built a top 5 offense in the NFL   Why did those fellas pay Chase and Higgins all that money iif their goal was to lose? Why did they pay Gesicki and BJ Hill if their goal was to lose? Why pay Ossai if their goal was to lose?

Those cheap asses your invested a lot of money to lose.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2025, 07:51 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Yeah those cheap asses may have built a top 5 offense in the NFL   Why did those fellas pay Chase and Higgins all that money iif their goal was to lose? Why did they pay Gesicki and BJ Hill if their goal was to lose? Why pay Ossai if their goal was to lose?

Those cheap asses your invested a lot of money to lose.

Reminds me of an old Country song. Lookin' for love, in all the wrong places...

Even football midget minds know that if you build a strong OL, you have a much greater chance of success than by having a weak OL. Don't even get me started on the defense...

[HarleyDog]

(08-20-2025, 07:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Reminds me of an old Country song. Lookin' for love, in all the wrong places...

Even football midget minds know that if you build a strong OL, you have a much greater chance of success than by having a weak OL. Don't even get me started on the defense...

Our FO sucks. Our defense sucks. Our coach sucks. Duke sucks. Fans are tolerant. DC SUCKS!

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 03:19 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: No he wasn't. Not.even.close.

If we consider "good" to be him keeping his man from getting a pressure or sack on pass sets and keeping his man from being in on the tackle on run plays, out of 16 snaps, he was "good" on 12 of them. 

If Goodberry is that wrong about something so easy to see and disprove, maybe you shouldn't be listening to Goodberry. This has to be one of the biggest loads of BS i've seen recently. 

Got to agree with Stewy here. Goodberry went over every snap the starters played three times looking at Fairchild. Patrick and Mims. Patrick was bad except for a few of the plays. Didn't allow a sack but his guy was running free on a few plays and had the ball not come out Burrow is getting crushed. Haven't seen the breakdown of this game and it appears he played better but he got dinged up so who knows what that means for him.

[Essex Johnson]

(08-20-2025, 06:15 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I wasn't saying they necessarily low balled Patrick and Fant. But let's just be honest with ourselves and take the fandom glasses off. People saw Patrick's deal and said whew they are giving him backup money they must expect to be a backup but no they expected him to start with that money. Fant 2.75 with incentives to raise it to 4mil is significantly less than the 2yrs 21mil he had last signed. While yes people may say see there strategy works but we didn't need Fant, we could afford to let him go elsewhere. But I really just pointed out those contracts as an example of the kind of money we are expecting to sign in FA. Its on par with what he has been making but if he asked for 5mil is that the hold up? 

Actually I call it realism glasses , whereas assume you are wearing  same old narrative glasses.

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 07:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Reminds me of an old Country song. Lookin' for love, in all the wrong places...

Even football midget minds know that if you build a strong OL, you have a much greater chance of success than by having a weak OL. Don't even get me started on the defense...

Are you saying I have a weak mind or did I misread it?

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 07:59 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Our FO sucks. Our defense sucks. Our coach sucks. Duke sucks. Fans are tolerant. DC SUCKS!

Not saying i disagree with any thing in particular here. But I do think its odd how chill they are right now. Either are coaches truly do suck or we are legit trying to hide our hand. I mean this 1st unit defense looks like the worst defense I've ever seen on the field. I try not to get to high or low from the preseason games but we look awful and there seems to be no urgency at all. Just seems to be very odd especially the key selling points from Golden seemed to be disciplined technique/tackling and a system that always has an answer for players as far as what theyre assignment is on any given play. Seems to be the exact opposite of what we are seeing on the field. Then also add in the fact that both games when the later depth players come in the defense improves. Seems very odd.

[HarleyDog]

(08-20-2025, 08:11 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not saying i disagree with any thing in particular here. But I do think its odd how chill they are right now. Either are coaches truly do suck or we are legit trying to hide our hand. I mean this 1st unit defense looks like the worst defense I've ever seen on the field. I try not to get to high or low from the preseason games but we look awful and there seems to be no urgency at all. Just seems to be very odd especially the key selling points from Golden seemed to be disciplined technique/tackling and a system that always has an answer for players as far as what theyre assignment is on any given play. Seems to be the exact opposite of what we are seeing on the field. Then also add in the fact that both games when the later depth players come in the defense improves. Seems very odd.

Very good points. This organization has never shown a sense of urgency. And yes, this is the worst friggen defense I've ever seen in my life. Even when I was coaching jr. high. These kids showed more discipline than we've seen in the last two weeks. At least my kids tried. These guys look like total shit!

[*Nately120*]

(08-20-2025, 07:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Reminds me of an old Country song. Lookin' for love, in all the wrong places...

Even football midget minds know that if you build a strong OL, you have a much greater chance of success than by having a weak OL. Don't even get me started on the defense...

Our FO seems more lazy than cheap and unwilling to do stuff they don't have to. Hell, we've even seen their laziness lead them to spending MORE money, as when they had Tee and Chase under contract they could have made long term deals and saved in the long run, but they didn't HAVE to extend them yet so they didn't and ended up paying more for them.

They drafted Burrow and Chase and Tee and locked them up when they simply HAD to do so.  Trey is under contract, so they don't actually need to redo his deal, regardless of how it sits with him, how our defense will suffer without him, and how it might impact future free agents who think about signing here.  Guaranteed money? Holding a player to the integrity of the contract he signed? Nah, it's just a case of "Do I have to do this?" and the answer is no, so no they likely won't.

Took decades to build an indoor practice facility because they didn't have to. Don't have to hire a GM, so they won't. Don't have to be active at the trade deadline, so let's shine up those skis. Don't have to hire a bunch of people to do a bunch of meddlesome analyses to make sure picks outside of the top 5 have the best chance to hit.  Sometimes I feel like if the draft were optional the Brown family would opt out and give some BS about how they only want players who WANT to be here, or something, and I maintain that Mike Brown refused to trade out of the Akili Smith pick for a million picks from the Saints because he didn't feel like going through the work that would ensue. 

So technically, they don't need more o-linemen to be league compliant, so maybe they sign Risner, but they don't have to.

This is just regular life to the Brown family, the same way a deer ran into my car and I don't have to fix the dent in the door so I didn't but I paid someone to fix the broken turn signal light because I had to. This is a big deal to us, but the Brown family has been punching this clock for generations. It's just a dented door to them, right?  It's not ideal, but it's legal.

And I think a lot of us old farts on an archaic message board would agree that people don't value things they were just handed.  Well, we were the only team who got to take Burrow because we stunk our way into the first overall pick.  We didn't find him later in the draft and develop him, we didn't outbid a bunch of other teams to get him...he's ours for stinking at the right time. Maybe we blow it, maybe not. I think this front office is more apt to shrug and blow it than others.

So lazy, not cheap.  My 2 cents.

[RunKijanaRun]

We’re in a lot of trouble.

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 08:03 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Actually I call it realism glasses , whereas assume you are wearing  same old narrative glasses.

Its not same old narrative glasses and I shouldn't assume you have your fandom glasses on. The people that our viewed as always negative is because they keep hoping the Bengals will change their ways and they very seldom do. Im not sure how its realism glasses though to see that they pay a backup level player in Patrick backup level money expecting him to be the starter and see it any other way than the Bengals being cheap. Yes im assuming we went cheap with Risner and thats why he didnt sign already but thats the evidence I've been given to make my judgment with. If we had paid a quality starter decent money and he got dinged and the same situation played out with Risner I wouldn't assume that.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2025, 08:08 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Are you saying I have a weak mind or did I misread it?

No sir, not a shot at you at all. Just pointing out my disgust for the way the FO chooses to build a "team".

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 08:19 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Very good points. This organization has never shown a sense of urgency. And yes, this is the worst friggen defense I've ever seen in my life. Even when I was coaching jr. high. These kids showed more discipline than we've seen in the last two weeks. At least my kids tried. These guys look like total shit!

Yeah its comically bad. Bad beyond coach speak in my opinion. So if theyre not acting like anything is wrong in the least im a little perplexed. 

[Luvnit2]

For those hating on Patrick, he is now ranked 37th in preseason. He was rated very well in game 2.

Now 68.3 in run blocking (not great, but not horribel and 60.3 in pass blocking

https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

This is after he had a horrible first week blocking.

[SunsetBengal]

(08-20-2025, 08:29 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: For those hating on Patrick, he is now ranked 37th in preseason. He was rated very well in game 2.

Now 68.3 in run blocking (not great, but not horribel and 60.3 in pass blocking

https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

This is after he had a horrible first week blocking.

He has some plays where he does well, but just like Cordell Volson, you don't want him getting Burrow destroyed on the plays that he absolutely whiffs. He's been a career backup for a reason.

[Frank Booth]

(08-20-2025, 08:29 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: For those hating on Patrick, he is now ranked 37th in preseason. He was rated very well in game 2.

Now 68.3 in run blocking (not great, but not horribel and 60.3 in pass blocking

https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

This is after he had a horrible first week blocking.

wow he's already the new cordell volson of the board

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 08:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: And I think a lot of us old farts on an archaic message board would agree that people don't value things they were just handed.  Well, we were the only team who got to take Burrow because we stunk our way into the first overall pick.  We didn't find him later in the draft and develop him, we didn't outbid a bunch of other teams to get him...he's ours for stinking at the right time. Maybe we blow it, maybe not. I think this front office is more apt to shrug and blow it than others.

So lazy, not cheap.  My 2 cents.

I have had this thought seeing some of the struggles this training camp that the Bengals dont have the urgency because they dont have to. Fans will be excited no matter what if the team does better than expecting great more excitement if the team does awful great more excitement for a high draft pick. Also like you pointed out a high draft pick can equal less free agent spending to generate excitement for the following year.

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 08:29 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: For those hating on Patrick, he is now ranked 37th in preseason. He was rated very well in game 2.

Now 68.3 in run blocking (not great, but not horribel and 60.3 in pass blocking

https://www.pff.com/nfl/grades/position/g

This is after he had a horrible first week blocking.

He also got dinged up. In the very short time hes been here hes been dinged up a few times. Glad he did better but I think hes shown he needs to be considered a backup.