Bengals to host Dalton Risner on a FA visit

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 08:34 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: wow he's already the new cordell volson of the board

He is about 10 points better per PFF, as I said not great in PB, but huge improvement over Cappa in run blocking and pass blocking 2024 numbers, and Cappa never got Joe killed.

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 08:52 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: He also got dinged up. In the very short time hes been here hes been dinged up a few times. Glad he did better but I think hes shown he needs to be considered a backup.

I think his injury history is a bigger issue than his performance. I want Risnerhereyesterday, but fans don't need to shit on Patrick who is being paid like a back up vet guard. He has a lot better numbers than Cappa's 39 in 2024. I agree and hope is our backup and he stays healthy.

I don't know why, but he played better against the Commandors first team than than the Eagles second team.

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-20-2025, 07:22 PM)Stewy Wrote: How about watching the video before talking out your rear?

He was "good" on like 4 plays, not 12.  He was getting beat like a drum in the marching band.

Doubling down. Bold move, Cotton. 

I watched both games before i replied and i gave you a very rudimentary definition of his play; good or bad. I tracked every snap. Then i even said that you could argue how he "looked", i.e., possibly getting pushed around or beaten quickly, yet the result of the play was the result of the play. Either he kept his man from making a play or he didn't. 

It appears that you can get better information from my ass than you can from Joe Goodberry. 

You're welcome. 

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 09:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Doubling down. Bold move, Cotton. 

I watched both games before i replied and i gave you a very rudimentary definition of his play; good or bad. I tracked every snap. Then i even said that you could argue how he "looked", i.e., possibly getting pushed around or beaten quickly, yet the result of the play was the result of the play. Either he kept his man from making a play or he didn't. 

It appears that you can get better information from my ass than you can from Joe Goodberry. 

You're welcome. 

PFF agrees with your eyes, not sure about your ass. 

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-20-2025, 09:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: PFF agrees with your eyes, not sure about your ass. 

Except they are talking about week 1 against the Eagles. So pff disagrees with his eyes and butt.

[Frank Booth]

yep, new volson of the fanbase. Its deja vu all over again

[*bfine32*]

(08-20-2025, 08:34 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: wow he's already the new cordell volson of the board

Yeah, I hate how much love Patrick's getting on this board.

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-20-2025, 08:01 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Got to agree with Stewy here. Goodberry went over every snap the starters played three times looking at Fairchild. Patrick and Mims. Patrick was bad except for a few of the plays. Didn't allow a sack but his guy was running free on a few plays and had the ball not come out Burrow is getting crushed. Haven't seen the breakdown of this game and it appears he played better but he got dinged up so who knows what that means for him.

Schematically speaking, the Bengals are predominantly a quick pass/timing offense, so i'm not really concerned with what would have happened. Let's try this. I just went back and watched Philly agaaaaaiiiiiiiin, so i'm gonna show my work. 

2.5 seconds is the demarcation line for pass block and pass rush win rate. I have a general time based on that for each pass, then the result of the play. Go back and watch Philly and tell me where you disagree with any of this. Keep in mind, we're not comparing Patrick to Fairchild. We're comparing Patrick to any of the other Gs on the roster right now and Cappa from the last couple years. 

1st pass - 2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
2nd pass - <2 seconds - defender wins rep, pressures burrow, pass complete
3rd pass - <2 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
4th pass - 2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
5th pass - 2.5 seconds - 3rd read pass in flat, defender 1.5 to 2 yds from burrow on throw
6th pass - >2.5 seconds - double team then peels to help, trips over karras and get flagged
7th pass - 2.5 seconds - initial block handed off to mims, looked late on stunt, no pressure
8th pass - <2 seconds - defender 3 yds from burrow. exact same depth as Fairchild

9th pass - >2.5 seconds - double team, defender nowhere near burrow
10th pass - >2.5 seconds - defender broke free late
11th pass - <2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow

11 passes. 7 times the defender was no threat to burrow. beat quickly 1 time, slow on twist 1 time,
trips 1 time, defender broke free late 1 time. So he was beat once quick and once late. 

P.S. omgggggggggggggggggggg. Is this site running amazingly annoyingly slow tonight or is it my laptop?

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-20-2025, 08:32 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: He has some plays where he does well, but just like Cordell Volson, you don't want him getting Burrow destroyed on the plays that he absolutely whiffs. He's been a career backup for a reason.

I'd prefer Patrick as a backup to Risner but unlike Volson, i wouldn't be terrified if he came in. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-20-2025, 09:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: PFF agrees with your eyes, not sure about your ass. 

PFF loves my ass!!

[Joelist]

Eh. Patrick's still hurt which shows in film - he's always lunging like he's favoring a leg.

[Luvnit2]

(08-20-2025, 10:30 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Schematically speaking, the Bengals are predominantly a quick pass/timing offense, so i'm not really concerned with what would have happened. Let's try this. I just went back and watched Philly agaaaaaiiiiiiiin, so i'm gonna show my work. 

2.5 seconds is the demarcation line for pass block and pass rush win rate. I have a general time based on that for each pass, then the result of the play. Go back and watch Philly and tell me where you disagree with any of this. Keep in mind, we're not comparing Patrick to Fairchild. We're comparing Patrick to any of the other Gs on the roster right now and Cappa from the last couple years. 

1st pass - 2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
2nd pass - <2 seconds - defender wins rep, pressures burrow, pass complete
3rd pass - <2 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
4th pass - 2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow
5th pass - 2.5 seconds - 3rd read pass in flat, defender 1.5 to 2 yds from burrow on throw
6th pass - >2.5 seconds - double team then peels to help, trips over karras and get flagged
7th pass - 2.5 seconds - initial block handed off to mims, looked late on stunt, no pressure
8th pass - <2 seconds - defender 3 yds from burrow. exact same depth as Fairchild

9th pass - >2.5 seconds - double team, defender nowhere near burrow
10th pass - >2.5 seconds - defender broke free late
11th pass - <2.5 seconds - defender nowhere near burrow

11 passes. 7 times the defender was no threat to burrow. beat quickly 1 time, slow on twist 1 time,
trips 1 time, defender broke free late 1 time. So he was beat once quick and once late. 

P.S. omgggggggggggggggggggg. Is this site running amazingly annoyingly slow tonight or is it my laptop?

Those pesky facts.

Did Holic swith to Dial Up internet? Yes, very slow.

[cinci4life]

Board seems normal again.

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(08-20-2025, 03:25 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Who wanted Volson cut? 

No one wants him to be the starter. But he was an OK depth option. 

I did, but only because he had the largest cuttable salary & I wanted to use his $$ for a starting RG. 

He is a highly paid backup. Fairchild is the starter at LG. Patrick is more versatile than Volson and the incumbent RG starter. Rivers projects better at G than OT. If you plug Risner, Volson is the 5th guard on the roster, not counting Ford. Probably ahead of Rivers at LG, but that is it. 

From what ZT said, until he has the surgery, they won't know for sure he'll be out. But we'll have to pay him on IR. No cap relief there, I don't think. 

But, in my view:

Fairchild + Risner + Patrick + Rivers beats
Fairchild + Patrick + Volson + Rivers

Though that $3 mil could cost is at another spot. 

[Isaac Curtis: The Real #85]

(08-20-2025, 04:54 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Same criteria as before. 

He played 21 snaps and was positive on 17 of them. 

He took his guy to the ground on the 2nd Burrow sack and that was when he first grabbed his shoulder/chest. Stayed in one more snap before grabbing it again and coming out. 

That's 75% positive PS1 
and 81% positive PS2

You can argue how he "looked" on some of the reps, but if his guy didn't cause a pressure or sack, or wasn't in on the tackle on run reps, that's not negative. 

You obviously didn't read my posts. I though Patrick was good in game 2 and still not bad (save for 2 plays) in Game 1.

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-21-2025, 01:32 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: You obviously didn't read my posts. I though Patrick was good in game 2 and still not bad (save for 2 plays) in Game 1.

I was agreeing with and backing up what you said. 

When i said "you could argue how he looked" in response to what Goodberry might have been talking about. 

[Sled21]

(08-20-2025, 08:11 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Not saying i disagree with any thing in particular here. But I do think its odd how chill they are right now. Either are coaches truly do suck or we are legit trying to hide our hand. I mean this 1st unit defense looks like the worst defense I've ever seen on the field. I try not to get to high or low from the preseason games but we look awful and there seems to be no urgency at all. Just seems to be very odd especially the key selling points from Golden seemed to be disciplined technique/tackling and a system that always has an answer for players as far as what theyre assignment is on any given play. Seems to be the exact opposite of what we are seeing on the field. Then also add in the fact that both games when the later depth players come in the defense improves. Seems very odd.

I guess we'll know at the end of the Browns game.

[Sled21]

(08-20-2025, 08:59 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I think his injury history is a bigger issue than his performance. I want Risnerhereyesterday, but fans don't need to shit on Patrick who is being paid like a back up vet guard. He has a lot better numbers than Cappa's 39 in 2024. I agree and hope is our backup and he stays healthy.

I don't know why, but he played better against the Commandors first team than than the Eagles second team.

Probably because that was his second game in this system.

[Tomcat]

Has anything come out when Risner is visiting Seattle or possibly Pittsburgh?

[*pally*]

(08-21-2025, 09:23 AM)Tomcat Wrote: Has anything come out when Risner is visiting Seattle or possibly Pittsburgh?

I have nothing seen a specific time. The Seahawks are in Green Bay right now for a joint practice and game so it is not likely until the return to Seattle which won’t be until Sunday.

Apparently, there is a coaching connection with Seattle’s run game coordinator and OC. And of course he has blocked for both Seattle’s QBs. But their starting line up is pretty much set so barring injury he’s only a backup there