Why hasn't Paul Alexander been interviewed for HC?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-17-2016, 04:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: When would you have fired Brat?

After the '08 season when the offense crashed because the O-line was crap and our QB got injured?

After the '09 season when we won the division despite having an O-line made up mostly of undrafted free agents, no TEs, no good RB, and only one good WR?

When exactly would you have fired him? 

Was the o line crap?  I thought we had a sure fire 1st ballot HOF coach leading that group.....

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-17-2016, 06:11 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It has been a proven fact you don;t have to scream and yell etc to get players motivated.. Bill Walsh was one of the nicest quite coaches out there but look what he did... Tony Dungy another etc.... you can motivate all you want but if you have taught bad technique and bad schemes, your positions is going to perform bad.

I bet there were coaches on their staff that fired guys up.

Well now we have passive Marvin passive Zampese and a passive O line coach with a QB not exactly the best at firing guys up leading the charge into a violent game. We need to get attitude fire and motivation from somewhere. And I promise it aint coming from the piano man.

Whitworth played the enforcer role one time and it fired everyone up. We need an offensive line that sets the tone and shows we aint taking shit from anyone. And I just dont see that mentality being implemented.

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(01-17-2016, 06:09 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: The offense regressed in 2006, 2007, 2008.  Each year was worse than the last.  They were dead last in 2008.  Even with a backup QB I'm not sure I could forgive a last place finish in anything, for someone employed for 8 seasons.

Of course the offense declined from '05 to '07.  The talent fell off s cliff.  In '05 we had the best O-line in the league, but in '07 we had Stacy Andrews and Eric Ghiciuc instead of Willie Anderson and Rich Braham, plus in '07 Levi Jones was limited by injury and was never the same as he was in '05.  Rudi was also injured in '07.  Instead of criticizing Brat for the offense dropping you should be praising him for producing a top 10 unit.


And if you think the reason our offense struggled in '08 was playcalling then you need to go back and watch some video.  Levi was injured again and his play declined even more.  Chad had not worked out the entire offseason and was injured before the first game.  Fitzpatrick was horrible.

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(01-17-2016, 06:36 PM)Wyche Wrote: Was the o line crap?  I thought we had a sure fire 1st ballot HOF coach leading that group.....

The O-line was crap because of injuries and lack of talent.  Our starting RT was a track athlete who had only played a handful of snaps in college.  Our LT was struggling to play through injuries that he would never recover from.

[*Go Cards*]

Believe the O-line was our weakest link this year and very undisciplined with constant false starts.

In a year when it should have been one of our best. Had experience, youth, and in their prime players, and star players in contract years as well. No real injuries either.

Even the reserves were 1st and second round selections.

It was a head scratcher performance by them this season imo.

Expected much more from them.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-17-2016, 06:11 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: It has been a proven fact you don;t have to scream and yell etc to get players motivated.. Bill Walsh was one of the nicest quite coaches out there but look what he did... Tony Dungy another etc.... you can motivate all you want but if you have taught bad technique and bad schemes, your positions is going to perform bad.

Bill Walsh was a passive aggressive smartass.....very and openly critical.  Don't get it twisted.

[fredtoast]

(01-17-2016, 06:09 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: And what about 2009?  

In '09 the O-line only had two starters who were drafted (Whit and Bobbie Williams).  Evan Mathis was a former 3rd round pick, but when the Bengals obtained him he was on his third team in two years.  He blossomed under the tutelage of Paul Alexander to the point where he was earning some starts, but he was injured mid-season and was not as effective when he returned.

But despite this patchwork O-line the Bengal offense was averaging 349 yards a game through the first half of the season when Chris Henry played.  That would have ranked 13th in the league.  Not great, but not bad considering the paucity of talent.  Housh was gone.  Benson missed a few games with injury.  Our TEs were Danial Coates and JP Foschi.

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-17-2016, 07:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: In '09 the O-line only had two starters who were drafted (Whit and Bobbie Williams).  Evan Mathis was a former 3rd round pick, but when the Bengals obtained him he was on his third team in two years.  He blossomed under the tutelage of Paul Alexander to the point where he was earning some starts, but he was injured mid-season and was not as effective when he returned.

But despite this patchwork O-line the Bengal offense was averaging 349 yards a game through the first half of the season when Chris Henry played.  That would have ranked 13th in the league.  Not great, but not bad considering the paucity of talent.  Housh was gone.  Benson missed a few games with injury.  Our TEs were Danial Coates and JP Foschi.

So you go to bat for the greatness of Brat and Paul Alexander.

Dually noted.

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-17-2016, 07:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The O-line was crap because of injuries and lack of talent.  Our starting RT was a track athlete who had only played a handful of snaps in college.  Our LT was struggling to play through injuries that he would never recover from.

The Steelers have a udfa TE playing LT and backup C. The panthers are starting a former bust. The seahawks had guys starting who played defense in college last year. The patriots have had a buttload of O-line injuries this year. All playoff teams.

If we have O -line injuries we fall apart. Plenty of teams are able to overcome. We drafted offensive line in the first and second round last year because Paul hasnt developed anybody to bolster our depth. 

Why give him a free lifetime pass? He hasnt done anything special. He is OK at his job. Whoop t freaking do. We have one of the most talented group of O linemen in the league and he will continue to coach them to mediocrity because that is who he is.

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(01-17-2016, 08:12 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: The Steelers have a udfa TE playing LT and backup C. The panthers are starting a former bust. The seahawks had guys starting who played defense in college last year. The patriots have had a buttload of O-line injuries this year. All playoff teams.

If we have O -line injuries we fall apart. Plenty of teams are able to overcome. We drafted offensive line in the first and second round last year because Paul hasnt developed anybody to bolster our depth. 

Why give him a free lifetime pass? He hasnt done anything special. He is OK at his job. Whoop t freaking do. We have one of the most talented group of O linemen in the league and he will continue to coach them to mediocrity because that is who he is.

Yeah, Whitworth is so mediocre he was selected First Team All-Pro.

Other teams do not just automatically plug in anyone and have success.  In fact a lot of teams have used as many high draft picks as the bengals and still wish their o-line was as good as ours.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-17-2016, 07:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The O-line was crap because of injuries and lack of talent.  Our starting RT was a track athlete who had only played a handful of snaps in college.  Our LT was struggling to play through injuries that he would never recover from.

Yeah.....but Ludwig Van Piano Man is sssooooooooooo great , they should've performed better.  He's a legend in your own mind.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-17-2016, 08:12 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: The Steelers have a udfa TE playing LT and backup C. The panthers are starting a former bust. The seahawks had guys starting who played defense in college last year. The patriots have had a buttload of O-line injuries this year. All playoff teams.

If we have O -line injuries we fall apart. Plenty of teams are able to overcome. We drafted offensive line in the first and second round last year because Paul hasnt developed anybody to bolster our depth. 

Why give him a free lifetime pass? He hasnt done anything special. He is OK at his job. Whoop t freaking do. We have one of the most talented group of O linemen in the league and he will continue to coach them to mediocrity because that is who he is.

Yes sir.....

[Essex Johnson]

(01-17-2016, 08:12 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: The Steelers have a udfa TE playing LT and backup C. The panthers are starting a former bust. The seahawks had guys starting who played defense in college last year. The patriots have had a buttload of O-line injuries this year. All playoff teams.

If we have O -line injuries we fall apart. Plenty of teams are able to overcome. We drafted offensive line in the first and second round last year because Paul hasnt developed anybody to bolster our depth. 

Why give him a free lifetime pass? He hasnt done anything special. He is OK at his job. Whoop t freaking do. We have one of the most talented group of O linemen in the league and he will continue to coach them to mediocrity because that is who he is.

so you are critical for drafting lineman  to replace the one of the oldest lineman in the game and to replace the other starting lineman who will be leaving via FA.. and the Steelers and Seahawks today did not look so good on the line..... 

[NATI BENGALS]

(01-17-2016, 11:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: so you are critical for drafting lineman  to replace the one of the oldest lineman in the game and to replace the other starting lineman who will be leaving via FA.. and the Steelers and Seahawks today did not look so good on the line..... 

300+ passing yards aint bad against 2 of the top defenses.

No im critical of the notion that the piano man is some great coach who develops players left and right. He got lucky with stacy andrews. He hasnt developed many projects other than that. If he was so great at developing players we wouldnt have had to get winston a proven vet off his couch or invest our 1st and 2nd round pick into tackles because the cupboard was so bare behind our previous 1st and 2nd round tackle picks. 


If he was some legendary coach worthy of a contract for life we wouldnt have had to invest a 1st and 2nd round pick at tackle is what Im saying.

[StLucieBengal]

(01-16-2016, 11:51 PM)Wyche Wrote: http://www.thecoolclinic.com/

Read for yourselves folks....don't believe what is said on here about Johan Sebastian Alexander.  He speaks at COOL because he's the local NFL guy.  In other words, if he moved to another team, the clinic would not follow.  He probably wouldn't even be asked to speak.

Bob Wylie runs that clinic and yes he would ask Paul to speak no doubt. He doesn't always speak anyway but he always attends and holds court.

What makes you think he wouldn't speak or attend?

[fredtoast]

(01-18-2016, 12:16 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: No im critical of the notion that the piano man is some great coach who develops players left and right. He got lucky with stacy andrews. He hasnt developed many projects other than that. 

He developed Nate Livings from an undrafted free agent to a player who got  $22 million contract.

He developed Stacy Andrews from a guy who did not even play football in college to a guy who got a $40 million free agent contract.

He developed undrafted Kyle Cook into a very good center.

He developed 4th round pick Anthony Collins into a guy who got a $30 million ree agent contract.

He developed Clint Boling froma 4th round pick to a guy who got a $26 million contract.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-18-2016, 12:16 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: 300+ passing yards aint bad against 2 of the top defenses.

No im critical of the notion that the piano man is some great coach who develops players left and right. He got lucky with stacy andrews. He hasnt developed many projects other than that. If he was so great at developing players we wouldnt have had to get winston a proven vet off his couch or invest our 1st and 2nd round pick into tackles because the cupboard was so bare behind our previous 1st and 2nd round tackle picks. 


If he was some legendary coach worthy of a contract for life we wouldnt have had to invest a 1st and 2nd round pick at tackle is what Im saying.

Right.....and Bodine would not suck as bad as he still does.  Let's be honest, Smith and Zeitler aren't exactly living up to draft status either.  It's beyond time for Ludwig Van to hit the bricks.  

(01-18-2016, 12:26 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Bob Wylie runs that clinic and yes he would ask Paul to speak no doubt.    He doesn't always speak anyway but he always attends and holds court.    

What makes you think he wouldn't speak or attend?

Right.  Bob Wylie, NOT Elton Alexander.....as some would have you to believe on here. I exposed that as a farce on the old board, and apparently some on here think we have short memories. He didn't speak this year, he wasn't on the roster of speakers.  As to why I think he wouldn't be asked?  See my earlier post.  It;s about convenience.  IF.....and that's a huge IF, because no one else would hire him....he were to go to another team, he wouldn't be such a "featured guest", the next Bengals o line coach would.  He attends because he's the local guy, that's the extent of it.

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(01-18-2016, 12:16 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: If he was some legendary coach worthy of a contract for life we wouldnt have had to invest a 1st and 2nd round pick at tackle is what Im saying.

There have been 38 OTs drafted in the first two rounds over the last 5 years.

Seems like every team in the league must having trouble developing OTs.  The big difference is that a lot of those first and second round picks have flopped while Alexander has NEVER had a player taken in the first two rounds flop.

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(01-18-2016, 11:57 AM)Wyche Wrote: Right.  Bob Wylie, NOT Elton Alexander.....as some would have you to believe on here. I exposed that as a farce on the old board, and apparently some on here think we have short memories. He didn't speak this year, he wasn't on the roster of speakers.  As to why I think he wouldn't be asked?  See my earlier post.  It;s about convenience.  IF.....and that's a huge IF, because no one else would hire him....he were to go to another team, he wouldn't be such a "featured guest", the next Bengals o line coach would.  He attends because he's the local guy, that's the extent of it.

No.  You are wrong.  he would be asked to speak anyway.

Before this season started ProFootballFocus had been ranking Offensive lines for 8 years.  Over that 8 year period the bengals ranked NUMBER ONE IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IN PASS PROTECTION, and they had been very consistent by finishing in the top 6 every year except one.

O-line coaches would love to hear from an O-line coach who had accomplished this.  They don't care if some message board people think it is funny that he plays the piano.  That type of criticism may carry a lot of weight on a middle school playground, but not so much among professionals who want to get better at their job.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(01-18-2016, 11:57 AM)fredtoast Wrote: He developed Nate Livings from an undrafted free agent to a player who got  $22 million contract.

He developed Stacy Andrews from a guy who did not even play football in college to a guy who got a $40 million free agent contract.

He developed undrafted Kyle Cook into a very good center.

He developed 4th round pick Anthony Collins into a guy who got a $30 million ree agent contract.

He developed Clint Boling froma 4th round pick to a guy who got a $26 million contract.

Nate Livings = a desperate and dumb Cowboys FO.  He sucked here, and he sucked there.

Stacy Andrews = sun shines on a dog's ass every now and again.

Kyle Cook = very good center?  Are you serious?

Anthony Collins = serviceable backup that a desperate Bucs team overpaid for.  Where is this "developed stud" these days?

Clint Boling = AS has been mentioned numerous times, was one of the top guard prospects in his class.


http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/clint-boling?id=2495123

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/4/8/2096982/clint-boling-nfl-draft-scouting-report

Quote:Final word: Boling looks to be a solid 2nd round selection and should be able to contribute at guard from day one.  He is a sound technician with the strength and quickness to both effectively pass and run block.  Ideally, Boling would add some more bulk to his frame but he possesses to proper technique to overcome.  Any team looking to improve their guard play would benefit from adding Boling to the mix.

http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/clint-boling-scouting-report.html

Quote:He was considered one of the top guard prospects for the 2011 NFL draft.

Nice try.....