Our O-Line Sucks

[fredtoast]

(08-18-2016, 07:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Paul Alexander does not strive for greatness, same as you. You two enable weakness cause you never want to admit that you are wrong in anyway and would rather lie yourselves to death than admit it.

Paul Alexander is a well respected coach in the NFL.  He consistently produces one of the best pass blocking O-lines in the league.

Silly fans like you would have moved Whitworth to guard because you claimed he was not good enough to play LT.  PA knows more about offensive line play than all of you combined.

[Brownshoe]

(08-18-2016, 10:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: This just is not true.

If it was all because of Dalton's quick release then even when he wasn't getting sacked he would be hurried or hit.  But Dalton was hurried and hit fewer times than almost every other QB in the league.

Thats because he throws the ball faster than almost every QB in the league. You can say a tenth of a second faster won't do that, but that's an averaged time. McCarron doesnt hold the ball much longer than Dalton but he gets hurried and hit and sacked a lot more. That tenth of a second makes a huge difference if you want to admit it or not.

[Jpoore]

(08-18-2016, 10:26 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Thats because he throws the ball faster than almost every QB in the league. You can say a tenth of a second faster won't do that, but that's an averaged time. McCarron doesnt hold the ball much longer than Dalton but he gets hurried and hit and sacked a lot more. That tenth of a second makes a huge difference if you want to admit it or not.

Mccarron averaged 3 seconds release time dalton 2.3 that .7 difference

[fredtoast]

(08-18-2016, 10:26 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Thats because he throws the ball faster than almost every QB in the league. You can say a tenth of a second faster won't do that, but that's an averaged time. McCarron doesnt hold the ball much longer than Dalton but he gets hurried and hit and sacked a lot more. That tenth of a second makes a huge difference if you want to admit it or not.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

First of all McCarron holds the ball A LOT longer than Dalton.

Second, in addition to "sacks" there are also stats for "hurries" and "throws under pressure".  Those stats have nothing to do with a QBs release time.  According to Football outsiders Dalton had the lowest "pressure rate" of the 37 QBs that had at least 200 pass attempts in '15.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2015

[Essex Johnson]

(08-18-2016, 07:21 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Of course i get it.

You always have the failed logic of defending the weak links on this team instead of using the common precept
of understanding that you should try and improve on that weakness. Your failed logic is easy to see but hard for
a fellow fan to understand.

Striving for greatness always has alluded you Fred. That is all lots of fans ask for is to strive for such a thing.

Paul Alexander does not strive for greatness, same as you. You two enable weakness cause you never want to
admit that you are wrong in anyway and would rather lie yourselves to death than admit it.

Well it is early, but Bodine is having a nice preseason and the line is looking good so far., 
Your statement about a NFL coach not striving for greatness seems pretty hollow and inept to be very frank... 

[fredtoast]

(08-18-2016, 11:39 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote:  
Your statement about a NFL coach not striving for greatness seems pretty hollow and inept to be very frank... 

Yeah, too bad for Paul Alexander that he never reached the levels of greatness that Nate did.

[Brownshoe]

(08-18-2016, 11:20 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You have no clue what you are talking about.

First of all McCarron holds the ball A LOT longer than Dalton.

Second, in addition to "sacks" there are also stats for "hurries" and "throws under pressure".  Those stats have nothing to do with a QBs release time.  According to Football outsiders Dalton had the lowest "pressure rate" of the 37 QBs that had at least 200 pass attempts in '15.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2015

He had such low pressure rate because he was throwing the ball faster. You can't pressure the passer when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. That's why McCarron had more sacks and pressure than Dalton, and McCarron only held onto the ball for less than a second longer than Dalton. You can try to argue with it, but the fact that McCarron made the OL have some of the worst stats in the league when he was in should say something pretty huge. One of the best OLs doesn't go to one of the worst like that unless someone was covering their mistakes like Dalton was.

[fredtoast]

(08-19-2016, 12:07 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: You can't pressure the passer when he doesn't have the ball in his hands. 

Yes you can.  You don't know what you are talking about.

When you watch a football game you will see sometimes when  QB makes a throw with pressure in his face and other times when he makes a throw with no pressure.

Dalton was not pressured as much as other QBs.  His quick trelease does not change that.

A few hundreths of a second quicker release does not keep a QB from throwing with pressure in his face.  Besides Dalton threw the ball downfield a lot last year and it is impossible to throw the ball immediately if you are throwing downfield.

Our O-line is one of the best at pass protection.  It has been for years.