(09-03-2020, 10:30 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Oh no, no, no. The shithole that NYC has become is squarely on DeBlasio and you'd be hard pressed to find many New Yorkers who disagree. Trump isn't responsible for everything you dislike. If he was half as powerful as you seem to think he'd be dictator for life already.
Yea well... he isn’t responsible for everything I don’t like. Have you ever heard billy eyelid omg bad...
If trump wasn’t born and raised and ran his con ring out of NY I may agree. But who knows how many Epstein parties he hosted with money from his fake charities with proceeds gong to the family biz. Housing discrimination tax fraud you name it.
Shitty mayor is shitty. Doesn’t change history. The greatest city on earth has taken massive damage because don the con and his science denying failed leadership.
(09-03-2020, 10:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The "Greatest city on Earth".. Really now?
I might be jaded, but I'd likely vote for most any small town in nowhere USA, where most folks get along just fine and the crime rate stays low. I mean, who in the hell is a fan of tons of people, stacked into building after building of multi family living units? People need a bit of space, where they can be themselves.
The crime rate is only low because nobody is there... My biggest takeaway from the past several years (the social media era)... People suck.
I'm gonna break every record they've got. I'm tellin' you right now. I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but it's goin' to get done.
(09-03-2020, 10:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The "Greatest city on Earth".. Really now?
I might be jaded, but I'd likely vote for most any small town in nowhere USA, where most folks get along just fine and the crime rate stays low. I mean, who in the hell is a fan of tons of people, stacked into building after building of multi family living units? People need a bit of space, where they can be themselves.
NYC was a pretty amazing city for awhile, after Rudy cleaned it up. I have a lot of friends who live there. Aside from the hot garbage smell in the summer the city was a pretty cool place. Now it's a fugging cesspool and I sincerely worry about some of my friends who live there.
Honestly, I could same the same for Los Angeles. I lived in the Hollywood Hills for fifteen years. The area was great. Downtown went from a depressing place with nothing to do to having a thriving social scene. Now, and I am not kidding, it's overflowing with homeless people who are Bay Area aggressive. There's literal human shit on the sidewalk. Two weeks before I bought my house (this was in May) my neighbors called me at work to tell me a homeless guy was walking down our residential street swinging a machete. Days that I worked the early shift, driving to work literally looked like an episode of The Walking Dead, with homeless people staggering around high or on some mental illness trip.
I'm sure part of it is me getting older, but man, it really looks like the major cities are in tremendous decline right now and not because of Covid, although it definitely accelerated things. But this has been in the works for years now.
(09-03-2020, 10:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'm sure part of it is me getting older, but man, it really looks like the major cities are in tremendous decline right now and not because of Covid, although it definitely accelerated things. But this has been in the works for years now.
Yea...
The thing is. That is partly because of unfunded republican tax cuts for the wealthy. And the stupidly massive wealth gap.
And.... now we now have the president threatening to cut off funding to the most populous city in the country.
Sad fact of life is there is some dumbass jackasses out there and not all of them are evil. The evil ones we can handle with violence. The dumbass jackasses have a fee on society. That's why its better to pay taxes and educate them. Ends up cheaper in the long run. Unless the money is going to fake ass scam schools like prez ran and sec ed is fighting for of course.
The thing is. That is partly because of unfunded republican tax cuts for the wealthy. And the stupidly massive wealth gap.
Dude, state and local taxes in LA and NYC are through the roof. I get your position, but you can't blame the GOP for every dumbshit decision in this country.
Quote:And.... now we now have the president threatening to cut off funding to the most populous city in the country.
Quite honestly, that's pure campaign tactics. I don't like the threat, but it isn't going to happen.
Quote:Sad fact of life is there is some dumbass jackasses out there and not all of them are evil. The evil ones we can handle with violence. The dumbass jackasses have a fee on society. That's why its better to pay taxes and educate them. Ends up cheaper in the long run. Unless the money is going to fake ass scam schools like prez ran and sec ed is fighting for of course.
This is a bit convoluted. I will say that the Dems don't have a monopoly on good ideas, or bad ones. But when one party has unfettered, and unbreakable, control bad shit things tend to happen, just in different ways.
(09-03-2020, 10:55 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: NYC was a pretty amazing city for awhile, after Rudy cleaned it up. I have a lot of friends who live there. Aside from the hot garbage smell in the summer the city was a pretty cool place. Now it's a fugging cesspool and I sincerely worry about some of my friends who live there.
Honestly, I could same the same for Los Angeles. I lived in the Hollywood Hills for fifteen years. The area was great. Downtown went from a depressing place with nothing to do to having a thriving social scene. Now, and I am not kidding, it's overflowing with homeless people who are Bay Area aggressive. There's literal human shit on the sidewalk. Two weeks before I bought my house (this was in May) my neighbors called me at work to tell me a homeless guy was walking down our residential street swinging a machete. Days that I worked the early shift, driving to work literally looked like an episode of The Walking Dead, with homeless people staggering around high or on some mental illness trip.
I'm sure part of it is me getting older, but man, it really looks like the major cities are in tremendous decline right now and not because of Covid, although it definitely accelerated things. But this has been in the works for years now.
You know, I often wonder about that immense homeless population in California. How much of that is to blame on the governing policy out there? Their major cities are all "cesspools", yet they rely heavily on the agricultural industry that most of the State provides, yet most of those folks living in those areas have little or no voice in policy matters.
For example, back in '06, when I was still a tradesman, I helped to renovate retail stores, some of them in California. I spent time in the Bay area, and some time in the "upstate" area in Redding. I have to say that in the Bay area, I was always cautious of where I was and who was around me. There were vagrants always approaching me, asking me for money, some of them appearing to be dangerous. In the upstate area, people were great and I felt safe and secure at all times.
That stark difference is a microcosm of the entire Nation. People in the metro areas seem to want to be "free and lawless", yet they rely so heavily on government to support them entirely; While people in the small towns just make their way and continue to exist.
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(09-03-2020, 10:36 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually Bloomberg, despite being a gun confiscating twat, did a very good job of maintaining the changes that Giuliani wrought. Anyone who lived from the Dinken's era to Giuliani knows what a complete 180 the city pulled. It only took one progressive ******* to utterly destroy it. There are conservative (not political conservative) predictions, that it will be decades before NYC looks anything like it did in the 90's and 00's, if it ever fully recovers. The exodus has already begun.
Here's an exerpt from Joe Rogan with Sopranos actors talking about DeBlasio and NYC. This is from a couple of months ago. Also the whole episode is a really good one to watch/listen to.
(09-03-2020, 10:38 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The "Greatest city on Earth".. Really now?
I might be jaded, but I'd likely vote for most any small town in nowhere USA, where most folks get along just fine and the crime rate stays low. I mean, who in the hell is a fan of tons of people, stacked into building after building of multi family living units? People need a bit of space, where they can be themselves.
Eh, that's a cultural difference. Lots of the world likes the more condensed living and see what we do as wasteful. It is what it is.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(09-04-2020, 10:30 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Just stop. If you have nothing to add just go away.
He made a great point.
Not getting into "whataboutism". Just asking for you to treat the comments from all people the same. If you take Cuomo's comments literally then do the same for everyone.
(09-04-2020, 10:48 AM)fredtoast Wrote: He made a great point.
Not getting into "whataboutism". Just asking for you to treat the comments from all people the same. If you take Cuomo's comments literally then do the same for everyone.
(09-03-2020, 09:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Can you imagine the absolute shit storm if the Governor of Mississippi said Biden (or worse Obama) better bring an Army if he goes to visit Vicksburg. I can't imagine the mob rule fan would have the same take.
Asking for a friend, but doesn't the above meet your definition of whataboutism?
(08-31-2020, 04:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: nah, still gotta but this one in whataboutisim. The OP did no comparison, he simply commented on Joe Biden's press conference. Folks around here start numerous threads daily about the bad stuff Trump does and as soon as someone tries to provide an example of something similar happening in the past it's called whatabourisim. Sometimes by the very folks trying to dismiss the OP.
Did you make a comparison in your OP to Biden or Obama that I missed?
(09-03-2020, 10:28 PM)Von Cichlid Wrote: If I was Trump, I would tell that airbag that I am the president of the US and can go to whatever city I want. Until January, he does have an army, the US Army.
Furthermore, these big cities in the deep blue states are probably so 3rd world by now that just about any average citizen would do well to have a private army to escort them.
In Texas we have our liberal mecca in Austin, but we also have strong governors that do their best to nip in the bud the local officials radical agendas.
(09-03-2020, 11:27 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: That stark difference is a microcosm of the entire Nation. People in the metro areas seem to want to be "free and lawless", yet they rely so heavily on government to support them entirely; While people in the small towns just make their way and continue to exist.
That's like how states like Kentucky, Montana, and Mississippi complain about big government and want to be "free", but they are the most dependent on federal aid which is paid for by states like California, Illinois, and New Jersey.
(09-04-2020, 03:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That's like how states like Kentucky, Montana, and Mississippi complain about big government and want to be "free", but they are the most dependent on federal aid which is paid for by states like California, Illinois, and New Jersey.
I'm not sure that's entirely true. I don't have the time to research or the energy to argue right now, so we'll have to revisit this topic after the holiday weekend.
Happy Labor Day, Pat!
Volson is meh, but I like him, and he has far exceeded my expectations
(09-04-2020, 05:24 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'm not sure that's entirely true. I don't have the time to research or the energy to argue right now, so we'll have to revisit this topic after the holiday weekend.
Happy Labor Day, Pat!
Pat is gonna assume you're too busy to reply because you're carrying all his Baltimore taxes down to Louisiana.
(09-04-2020, 03:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That's like how states like Kentucky, Montana, and Mississippi complain about big government and want to be "free", but they are the most dependent on federal aid which is paid for by states like California, Illinois, and New Jersey.
Most people don't realize how much of the things we consider "state funded" (schools, police, ect) are actually dependent on bloc grants from the federal government. The federal government pays up to 20% of the cost of public education in some of the poorest states. Citizens of the wealthy states pay more in taxes than they get back from the federal government while poor states receive more federal aid than than they pay in taxes.
Most of the wealthiest states are blue states while most of the poorest states are red. The Republicans criticizing the Democrats for the way they run things are like kids complaining about how stupid their parents are while still living in their parents basement and depending on them to pay the bills
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