DACA to end

[GMDino]

[StLucieBengal]

(09-04-2017, 09:55 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Why do they get jobs over actual US citizens?

They are here illegally. They broke the law to come here and have shown no desire to correct themselves within the law.

Immigration law is not difficult to follow. Do it right and they will be welcome. Come here by hook and crook and expect us to bend over backwards to accept their illegal choices.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2017, 10:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Why do they get jobs over actual US citizens?  

They are here illegally.   They broke the law to come here and have shown no desire to correct themselves within the law.  

Immigration law is not difficult to follow.   Do it right and they will be welcome.  Come here by hook and crook and expect us to bend over backwards to accept their illegal choices.

1) Because they went out and applied and got the job from an employer.

2) Yes.  And they have done more than many legal citizens to work hard to better themselves and give back to society.

3).  It is difficult when it is so backlogged.  That is why there is this program so that so many signed up for knowing that they were shining a light on themselves in the hope that at some point their efforts would be rewarded.

4) None of that refutes the facts posted in the photo.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-04-2017, 10:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: 1) Because they went out and applied and got the job from an employer.

2) Yes.  And they have done more than many legal citizens to work hard to better themselves and give back to society.

3).  It is difficult when it is so backlogged.  That is why there is this program so that so many signed up for knowing that they were shining a light on themselves in the hope that at some point their efforts would be rewarded.

4) None of that refutes the facts posted in the photo.

If we run out the DACA illegals. Then American citizens take Those jobs and we get the same benefits in your photo. The only change is that we get adult illegals outta here.

And btw it's not that difficult to get legal with immigration. Feel free to check into how it's done. Call USCIS.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2017, 11:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If we run out the DACA illegals.   Then American citizens take Those jobs and we get the same benefits in your photo.   The only change is that we get adult illegals outta here.

And btw it's not that difficult to get legal with immigration.  Feel free to check into how it's done.    Call USCIS.

American citizens didn't want those jobs or they would have been filled before the illegals got them.

And there would be no way to show the American's were 100% crime free.

And they are legal with immigration in that they are registering that they are here.

Is being wrong a hobby or a full time job?

[StLucieBengal]

(09-04-2017, 11:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: American citizens didn't want those jobs or they would have been filled before the illegals got them.

And there would be no way to show the American's were 100% crime free.

And they are legal with immigration in that they are registering that they are here.

Is being wrong a hobby or a full time job?

Pretty cavalier of you to say that Americans do not want jobs. Also says a lot that you would rather give jobs to illegals than US citizens.

They are illegal. They are not legal because obama wrote an illegal amnesty.

[GMDino]

(09-05-2017, 02:07 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Pretty cavalier of you to say that Americans do not want jobs.  Also says a lot that you would rather give jobs to illegals than US citizens.    

They are illegal.   They are not legal because obama wrote an illegal amnesty.

"those" jobs.  Not "any" jobs.

I didn't give a job to anyone.  Someone hired a worker and kept them because of how they worked.

[Belsnickel]

One thing I heard that was interesting is that a higher percentage of DACA immigrants are business owners than the rest of the population. So if DACA immigrants were to be deported, then it would not just be them losing their jobs, it would be legal residents and citizens, as well.

[GMDino]

They are the best vetted of all immigrants.

There is no (logical) reason to end the program.

Dreamers have passed background checks, paid fees, attended college, and served in the military. Now Trump says they're not American enough. pic.twitter.com/fBrWzFtsFq

— VoteVets (@votevets) September 4, 2017

[StLucieBengal]

(09-05-2017, 09:57 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: One thing I heard that was interesting is that a higher percentage of DACA immigrants are business owners than the rest of the population. So if DACA immigrants were to be deported, then it would not just be them losing their jobs, it would be legal residents and citizens, as well.

Then competing small business will grow and hire more people.

To pretend this is a black hole that the market won't correct is absurd.

[GMDino]

So Sessions is live right now making the announcement.

Apparently the POTUS doesn't care enough to do it himself.  Sad.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-05-2017, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: They are the best wetted of all immigrants.

There is no (logical) reason to end the program.

Dreamers have passed background checks, paid fees, attended college, and served in the military. Now Trump says they're not American enough. pic.twitter.com/fBrWzFtsFq

— VoteVets (@votevets) September 4, 2017

It's an illegal/unconstitutional program.

[GMDino]

"We love the Dreamers," says Trump as the grieving mom of a #Harvey hero is denied humanitarian visa #DefendDREAMers https://t.co/6espvJWv4T

— Richard Hine (@richardhine) September 5, 2017

[Belsnickel]

(09-05-2017, 12:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It's an illegal/unconstitutional program.

That is debatable, but at least a valid argument to bring up. Unlike, of course, the POTUS lying about the program to the country.

[Millhouse]

So if ending this program would give jobs to legal Muricans, why weren't these jobs taken by said Muricans in the first place?

[Benton]

(09-05-2017, 12:08 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Then competing small business will grow and hire more people.  

To pretend this is a black hole that the market won't correct is absurd.

Most of the people I hear concerned (outside of this message board and a few retirees) are small business owners/managers. These are friends and employees they're losing. And there's not a great labor market out there in the lower/lower middle income brackets. The number one complaint I hear through my role with the Chamber of Commerce and through my job is the lack of hirable employees. One of the biggest reasons I hear for going out of business is labor. They can't find enough of it to work consistently or not enough to work cheaply. The market, at least in my area, hasn't done anything to fix that.

Of course, maybe some of that is just Kentucky, where the drug problem is making things pretty rough.

[CKwi88]

It would be silly to end DACA and deport these people. They contribute more to this country than many American citizens.

I wager that this is just political posturing. This throws the onus back to Congress (where it should have been solved years ago) to actually pass legislation. If or when it fails, Trump can deflect blame onto the Senate Democrats, the media, and Senate republicans (in that order.)

If the best argument that you can come up with to wanting to deport productive, educated, employed taxpayers is that "they were brought here as children by their parents illegally!!!1!11!" It might just make more sense to give them a path to permanent residency.

Someone acting like unemployed Americans who already aren't filling numerous job vacancies and opportunities are just going to flock to these jobs, hell, even acting like these jobs will necessarily exist, is naive at best, dimwitted at second best.

[Millhouse]

(09-05-2017, 02:02 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: It would be silly to end DACA and deport these people. They contribute more to this country than many American citizens.

I wager that this is just political posturing. This throws the onus back to Congress (where it should have been solved years ago) to actually pass legislation. If or when it fails, Trump can deflect blame onto the Senate Democrats, the media, and Senate republicans (in that order.)

If the best argument that you can come up with to wanting to deport productive, educated, employed taxpayers is that "they were brought here as children by their parents illegally!!!1!11!" It might just make more sense to give them a path to permanent residency.

Someone acting like unemployed Americans who already aren't filling numerous job vacancies and opportunities are just going to flock to these jobs, hell, even acting like these jobs will necessarily exist, is naive at best, dimwitted at second best.

This President is not in the business of trying to do what is best for all involved. He is wanting to pander to those on the right who hates anyone that comes to this country illegally to try to make a better life for themselves and their families. Which by the way used to be a hallmark symbol back 'when Murica was Great'.

[GMDino]

Quote:Barack Obama
20 minutes ago

Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.
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[*PhilHos*]

(09-05-2017, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: They are the best wetted of all immigrants.

Ummmmmmm ...