07-24-2016, 01:09 PM
Sounds like Wasserman-Schultz is out. I know her speech time was cancelled. But the word now is she wont even preside.
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07-24-2016, 01:09 PM
Sounds like Wasserman-Schultz is out. I know her speech time was cancelled. But the word now is she wont even preside.
07-24-2016, 01:12 PM
(07-24-2016, 01:04 PM)McC Wrote: Pretty sure it is. That everyone should live the same, even if it means the successful foot the bill. The only thing guaranteed is equal opportunity. Equal results are not. Socialism requires the means of production be owned by the people. A goal of socialism may be the part you bolded, but it can also be a goal in a mixed market economy.
07-24-2016, 01:21 PM
(07-24-2016, 01:12 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Socialism requires the means of production be owned by the people. A goal of socialism may be the part you bolded, but it can also be a goal in a mixed market economy. That's right. I remember it from Seinfeld.
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07-24-2016, 01:26 PM
07-24-2016, 03:31 PM
While it is in no way shape or form surprising, it could be very bad news for the DNC come election time. Any undecided Bernie supporters just got a real good reason to not vote democrat.
07-24-2016, 03:38 PM
(07-24-2016, 03:31 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: While it is in no way shape or form surprising, it could be very bad news for the DNC come election time. Any undecided Bernie supporters just got a real good reason to not vote democrat. Maybe he'll take the Green Party up on their offer to head the party. I'd love to see Sanders on the stage after this against Trump and Clinton for entertainment value alone.
07-24-2016, 03:59 PM
(07-24-2016, 03:31 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: While it is in no way shape or form surprising, it could be very bad news for the DNC come election time. Any undecided Bernie supporters just got a real good reason to not vote democrat. Bernie has said more than once recently that everything possible must be done to defeat Trump. There likely will be those that will follow the process into November, watching polls of whatever has developed until then, and decide only then how they will vote. Lots of time remaining for spin factories to promote their cause.
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07-24-2016, 04:57 PM
(07-24-2016, 03:59 PM)wildcats forever Wrote: Bernie has said more than once recently that everything possible must be done to defeat Trump. There likely will be those that will follow the process into November, watching polls of whatever has developed until then, and decide only then how they will vote. Lots of time remaining for spin factories to promote their cause. Not adequately representing significant portions of the electorate is a good way to get people to not participate in the democratic process which can lead to all kinds undesirable effects.
07-24-2016, 05:21 PM
(07-24-2016, 04:57 PM)treee Wrote: Not adequately representing significant portions of the electorate is a good way to get people to not participate in the democratic process which can lead to all kinds undesirable effects. Seems like we're already there. Progressives aren't happy with HRC, nor is the GOP thrilled with Trump. Lots of people may just dismiss the entire process, believing it won't matter regardless of how they vote.
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07-24-2016, 08:29 PM
(07-24-2016, 01:04 PM)McC Wrote: Pretty sure it is. That everyone should live the same, even if it means the successful foot the bill. The only thing guaranteed is equal opportunity. Equal results are not. (07-24-2016, 01:12 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Socialism requires the means of production be owned by the people. A goal of socialism may be the part you bolded, but it can also be a goal in a mixed market economy. (07-24-2016, 01:21 PM)McC Wrote: That's right. I remember it from Seinfeld. Well, I see this got ironed out while I was playing with my niece. But yeah, what Americans incorrectly think is socialism, isn't. What you were describing McC, comes about by the use of social programs which some people look at and go "social and socialism, all the same!" In truth, though, it seems any attempt to regulate the market is met with cries of socialism. But a regulated market is not a socialism.
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07-24-2016, 09:28 PM
http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/
Quote:Here’s the timeline: On June 14, cybersecurity company CrowdStrike, under contract with the DNC, announced in a blog post that two separate Russian intelligence groups had gained access to the DNC network. One group, FANCY BEAR or APT 28, gained access in April. The other, COZY BEAR, (also called Cozy Duke and APT 29) first breached the network in the summer of 2015. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-24-2016, 11:56 PM
(07-24-2016, 09:28 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/07/how-putin-weaponized-wikileaks-influence-election-american-president/130163/ So Hillary's private email server is more secure is what you are saying?
07-25-2016, 02:11 AM
(07-24-2016, 11:56 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: So Hillary's private email server is more secure is what you are saying? Oh they definitely did hack that, too. But if we want to go all conspiracy theory....it's interesting that - if these guys are as good as they're saying - that such obvious traces were left. If the Russians really did do this, then it would only be because they wanted us to know.
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07-25-2016, 03:23 AM
(07-25-2016, 02:11 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Oh they definitely did hack that, too. This will be forgotten by the majority of voters in a week or two. If the Russians did hack the DNC, you know they hacked Clinton's server. If they want to influence the election, we will see other emails come out about a month before the election with more damaging emails coming weekly up to the election. These more damaging emails will be ones from her private server. Of course, it will not sway all voters but enough to throw up their hands and say screw it!
07-25-2016, 04:25 AM
(07-25-2016, 03:23 AM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: Of course, it will not sway all voters but enough to throw up their hands and say screw it! I'm not convinced they are doing this to prop up Trump. I think they're doing it solely to disrupt the election and add to polarization in America. From their perspective, it's a good strategy - especially if you expect Hillary to win, then they obliterate any perceived mandate.
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07-25-2016, 08:57 AM
(07-24-2016, 11:56 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: So Hillary's private email server is more secure is what you are saying? I didn't mention that at all. But if there had been such a hack the FBI would have found it, no? Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-25-2016, 08:58 AM
(07-25-2016, 02:11 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: Oh they definitely did hack that, too. The way I read it there are obvious traces that other high level guys can find. I don't know if it is true or not. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-25-2016, 10:04 AM
(07-24-2016, 10:08 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I get this. I guess my problem was truly that if you're not willing to claim the D next to your name and instead caucus with them, then why are you going to jump into the mix just for the structure of the party during a POTUS race. Seems disingenuous to me. I get how Sanders shift seems disingenuous, and if he was some kind of carpetbagger (like Trump - who was a D for most of his adult life and called Republican voters stupid and easy to fool before running as a Republican and proving it) I would agree. But Sanders conceding the reality of the two party system in Presidential politics after a distinguished record of service in the Senate and consistently advocating for issues that reflected his value seems OK to me. Trump could have run as a Democrat - his party switch is far more disingenuous. But again, that is the one thing he is right about - Republican masses are stupid enough to nominate him. Democrats wouldn't have done that - conspiracy theories notwithstanding. Even with the deck stacked somewhat against him in the party and in the media Sanders still pulled a ton of votes and delegates. You are, of course, correct about most American voters, who can tell you more about Kim Kardashian's menstrual cycle or Simon Cowell's latest shoe purchase than they can about the issues their elected representatives in Washington are ignoring on a daily basis.
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07-25-2016, 10:08 AM
(07-25-2016, 10:04 AM)xxlt Wrote: again, that is the one thing he is right about - Republican masses are stupid enough to nominate him. Democrats wouldn't have done that - conspiracy theories notwithstanding. Yep, those smart Dems sure did pick a good one.
07-25-2016, 01:13 PM
(07-25-2016, 08:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: The way I read it there are obvious traces that other high level guys can find. I don't know if it is true or not. I understand that....what I'm saying is traces left behind after the fact are intentionally left behind. As good as the hackers supposedly were, I'd guess they could wipe their tracks, or at least mask them. Honestly, I could think it's more likely Trump paid a hacker to mimic the Russians....because I really doubt the Russians had any interest in the DNC emails.
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