07-02-2018, 11:20 PM
(07-02-2018, 09:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well the Nazis don’t wear short shorts and mesh tanks when they march.
Yet another reason I simply can't get on board with that party.
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07-02-2018, 11:20 PM
(07-02-2018, 09:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well the Nazis don’t wear short shorts and mesh tanks when they march. Yet another reason I simply can't get on board with that party. ![]()
07-02-2018, 11:25 PM
That guy was going to go nuts whether Trump said what he did or not. Now lets get back to how liberal Hollywood is making so many millennial kids gay.
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07-03-2018, 12:16 AM
(07-02-2018, 09:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I ask folks to do one thing: Sure And you take a look in the mirror and ask why am i asking others to be open minded about locking kids in cages, trampling on the constitution , and a message of division. And then look at the flag and say me and my president trust the russian government over American intelligence.
07-03-2018, 12:20 AM
(07-03-2018, 12:16 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Sure Damn, that's a lot to ask myself in the mirror. I thought the one question would be simpler. ![]() ![]()
07-03-2018, 12:36 AM
(07-03-2018, 12:20 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Damn, that's a lot to ask myself in the mirror. I thought the one question would be simpler. Well maybe not in the mirror because seeing yourself supporting that stuff is probably pretty hard. So maybe go easy on yourself. With your pro life stance. Maybe start with why you want to force the young drug addict mom to have a kid she doesnt want. Then take away kids from the mom who trekked out on a journey for a better life for her children and hersElf. Then jump right in to why you trust the lifelong conman and the russian gov over U.S. intel. Thats a big one. Not sure how a vet can just brush over that and defend a leader that said it. So take a good look there and let me know if we should really be open minded there
07-03-2018, 05:34 AM
(07-02-2018, 10:45 PM)michaelsean Wrote: No I’d say it if I did. It’s just these things are for the reasons they always are. (07-02-2018, 10:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm with you. When I heard of the tragedy "It's Trump's fault" never crossed my mind until folks told me he was to blame. The reason you didn't think "It's Trump's fault" is because: a) Personal responsibility b) You wanted to wait for the facts. Neither of those is a bad decision/reason. However if the constant stream of hateful rhetoric toward the media did not even cross your mind after it happened you are just delusional and/or deliberately ignoring what your own President says. Bill O'Reilly never said to go out and kill Dr. Tillerson. He said that abortion doctors needed handled. Manson never told anyone to kill directly. He said it was gong to to take something big like famous people getting killed to start the inevitable race war he saw coming. Trump never said to shoot reporters (that was Milo). He said they were the enemies and were against Making America Great Again...along with his other violent speech. So please forgive the rest of the US if we had the thought cross our mind that it wouldn't take much for one borderline nutcase to think the POTUS was right and snapped over something. (BTW...that link is NSFW. Don't listen if you don't like foul language) We choose not to ignore what the POTUS actually says and hope that it isn't the start of something awful. And eve with that the number of people who "blamed" Trump was miniscule and certainly not equal to the fervorous denial of his being at blame that continues to this very say when almost no one is saying "it's Trump's fault". ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-03-2018, 05:37 AM
(07-03-2018, 12:36 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Well maybe not in the mirror because seeing yourself supporting that stuff is probably pretty hard. So maybe go easy on yourself. But his "question that NO ONE answered" is very narrow. If the policy isn't affecting YOU why are you concerned!?!??!!? "me" vs "us" ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-03-2018, 06:18 AM
This decision by the POTUS doesn't mean he supports the media getting killed, or thinks it is good or right. This decision just looks like another tone-deaf moment from a "man" with an agenda to turn people against the media.
A small gesture like lowering the flags would have meant more than any "thoughts and prayers" he can tweet. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/02/lowering-flag-its-trumps-decision-when-order-flags-half-staff/753218002/ Quote:Of all the weighty decisions a president makes, signing a proclamation to lower flags to half staff is about symbolism. ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-03-2018, 11:06 AM
(07-03-2018, 06:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: This decision by the POTUS doesn't mean he supports the media getting killed, or thinks it is good or right. This decision just looks like another tone-deaf moment from a "man" with an agenda to turn people against the media. Annnndddd....he's changed his mind. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/395311-sarah-sanders-trump-will-lower-flags-for-victims-of-capital-gazette Of course he did it after he tweeted another atack on the media:
It's like his brain works at half speed. And then Sanders has to lie and say he made the decision as soon as he heard about it. ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-03-2018, 11:34 AM
(07-03-2018, 06:18 AM)GMDino Wrote: This decision by the POTUS doesn't mean he supports the media getting killed, or thinks it is good or right. This decision just looks like another tone-deaf moment from a "man" with an agenda to turn people against the media. Sometimes it is hard to fathom the deafness. This is another one where I can't figure out the thinking or lack thereof.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
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07-03-2018, 11:58 AM
(07-02-2018, 10:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I think they've undermined themselves; as has been shown in recent reports, whose purpose was not to do so. People are supposed to "look behind the curtain" in a democracy. With temporally limited exceptions, there is not supposed to be a curtain. Trust in government is supposed to be founded on rule of law, which requires transparency and the people's oversight, not faith. Comey and a couple of subordinates made some bad judgments, but that is not an institution "undermining" itself. The remedy for that is not to keep their doings behind the curtain. We don't "stand up" for institutions that are necessary like we stand up for family members or our football teams. When they are broke we fix them. "The Left" is not standing up for the FBI and CIA. See here the advantage of stretching that term, Fox style, to cover everyone not on the right, especially not on the far right. Political moderates and centrists--liberals mostly--have always understood the importance of trust in government institutions. If there have been bad leaders or bad behavior, they have always been behind cleaning up the mess and exercising oversight to restore public trust. The (real) Left criticized the CIA as an institution in 1973 for its role in the overthrow of Allende; political moderates criticized Nixon and Kissinger. Same deal with Hoover and the FBI. Now you claim it ironic that "the left" is standing up for the CIA/FBI when political moderates who have always supported these organizations--along with conservatives like George Will and David Frum, who haven't gone back on their principles for Trump--agree with their assessment of the continuing Russian threat to our elections and domestic politics. It may be "ironic" that many who still call themselves conservatives are, at the direction of Fox and Trump, "pointing a finger" at the nation's premier intel and law enforcement institutions as they investigate Trump, but I would rather call that "inconsistent"--not to mention short-sighted, given Russia's effort to undermine our elections and our Commander-in-Chiefs effort to cover for them. ![]()
07-03-2018, 12:08 PM
(07-03-2018, 11:34 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Sometimes it is hard to fathom the deafness. This is another one where I can't figure out the thinking or lack thereof. Just as I can't understand the flipflop covered by saying he agreed right away...when he did not. Unless we are to believe the mayor lied and not the Trump. ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-03-2018, 12:09 PM
(07-03-2018, 12:16 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Sure LOL, that is why "looking in the mirror" is not a very good test. If a person is really biased, then he is just supposed to "see" that? The best test of, and remedy for, bias is to set your views down in writing and see what others "see" in them. If they can find overlooked facts and logically inconsistencies, then you can grow and learn, or you can decide to call them names and protect your bias. But unless you got that old Queen's magic mirror, looking there won't do much good. ![]()
07-03-2018, 12:16 PM
(07-02-2018, 11:25 PM)Nately120 Wrote: That guy was going to go nuts whether Trump said what he did or not. Now lets get back to how liberal Hollywood is making so many millennial kids gay. I say it is all those movies where girly men are the heroes. They "understand" their girl friends and let their wives work outside the home. Even Rambo learned how to be kinder and gentler in his last movie, because he listened to that missionary woman once all the killing was done. With out real man heroes anymore, what do you expect? ![]()
07-03-2018, 08:11 PM
(07-02-2018, 09:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It is why I asked you what you think as opposed to what you know. No, it's amplified because 5 people were gunned down for the fact that they work for a newspaper that reports facts while our President calls people who report facts "the enemy of the people". But I understand that someone who'd go out of their way to lie about what others have said in this thread would also go out of their way to suggest someone cannot be even more worried about the verbal assault on the freedom of the press by the President after members of the press have been killed for reporting facts about someone, that they must rather have some political agenda they're attempting to further. ![]() ![]()
07-04-2018, 02:26 PM
(07-04-2018, 01:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: For the completely unhinged parent: Oh the Irony of Trump supporters boycotting Walmart! ![]() ![]() Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
07-04-2018, 03:04 PM
(07-02-2018, 06:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Folks are trying but no one has shown how their life is worse. Sure illegal immigrants are being separated from the children they have brought over here illegally, folks don't like his rhetoric, or the color of his skin, But I've asked and still waiting for: how your life is worse. If you were to read some of the constant bitching you would think America is going through 2008 type recession, instead of historic growth. I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, so my apologies if this has already been addressed. But... My personal life doesn't have to be affected in order to form the opinion that somebody is an asshole. I'm honestly amazed that there are people that aren't embarrassed to have him as our leader, because it is indeed embarrassing. I get the voting "R" over "D", but how you conservatives decided out of 16 candidates that this was the best choice is beyond understanding. If I remember correctly you've stated you didn't vote for Trump, I'm curious who you voted for? because you seem to defend him a lot.
07-04-2018, 04:10 PM
(07-04-2018, 03:04 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: I haven't read the rest of the thread yet, so my apologies if this has already been addressed. But... I simply defend POTUS against the unhinged on here, because they blame everything on him, simply because they don't like him. Of course your life doesn't have to be affected to suggest he's an asshole; he undoubtedly is. I simply asked an audience that is constantly bytching about him how he has affected you. I applaud the "other people before me and mine mentality" even if I do not think it is complete earnest. As to who I voted for: it was the Independent on the ballot in KY Evan McMullin and of the 16 candidates in the GOP Trump was my 16th choice. My top 3 didn't even make the main stage (Paul, Perry, Jindal). I didn't like either main stream candidate and to be fair I knew Trump was going to roll in my state, so I didn't find it "necessary" to vote for him. IF there had only been 2 candidates on the ballot I would have voted for Trump. ![]() ![]()
07-04-2018, 04:58 PM
(07-04-2018, 04:10 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I simply defend POTUS against the unhinged on here, because they blame everything on him, simply because they don't like him. Of course your life doesn't have to be affected to suggest he's an asshole; he undoubtedly is. I simply asked an audience that is constantly bytching about him how he has affected you. I applaud the "other people before me and mine mentality" even if I do not think it is complete earnest. Fair enough...at least we agree that he's asshole. I can deal with conservatives having control as the pendulum swings in both directions. However this guy (Trump) just behaves like a total douche bag and is an embarrassment to the country. Now, like you, I didn't like either candidate and voted 3rd party (Kasich was moderate enough for me). Honestly I can't blame just Reps, Dems nominated a terrible candidate as well. If my opinion of Trump is that he's a douche bag and an idiot makes me "unhinged", I can deal with that. ![]() ![]() |
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