(11-09-2020, 10:29 AM)Nately120 Wrote: There are already enough people willing to believe that he won...what Trump and that group of people do until he can run again in 2024 is anyone's guess. I picture a lot of rallies (that you have to pay to get into, of course) and campaigning. 2024 will be some democrat vs Trump in yet another rigged election.
TRUMP 2024
It's gonna be rigged!
I'm sure they won't run afoul of campaign finance law...
(11-09-2020, 10:39 AM)Au165 Wrote: I'm sure they won't run afoul of campaign finance law...
Teflon Don?
I'm still keeping the slim possibility that he and his most dedicated followers set up a TRUMP TOWN in South America. I assume their band will be of the country-rock variety, the kind that plays "Fortunate Son" and "For What it's Worth" without realizing that those songs were written to criticize people like Trump.
I will add - its not just the filing that is defective, its the whole damn legal strategy that is defective. This is the type of work that would get someone fired to reprimanded if done at a private firm.
Quote:Man featured at Giuliani press conference is a convicted sex offender
“It’s such a shame. This is a democracy,” Daryl Brooks, who said he was a GOP poll watcher, said at the press conference, held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Northeast Philadelphia. “They did not allow us to see anything. Was it corrupt or not? But give us an opportunity as poll watchers to view all the documents — all of the ballots.”
Trenton political insiders watched with bemusement as Brooks took the podium.
Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts.
Brooks has run for various offices, including U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives.
“I started watching it and all of a sudden I was like, ‘there’s New Jersey’s perennial candidate claiming to live in Philadelphia and Giuliani claiming him to be a poll watcher and Philadelphia resident," Trenton Mayor Reed Gusciora said in a phone interview.
James Gee, chief of staff to U.S. Rep. Bonnie Watson Coleman (D-N.J.), also said he immediately recognized Brooks.
“Yeah, I know Daryl. It’s so fitting that he would be there,” Gee said.
Gee said he believed Brooks was hired for Hillary Clinton‘s campaign in 2016.
“People don’t pay attention to who they hire. They’re just trying to get bodies, particularly if it’s a white organizer,” said Gee, who’s Black. “And this time apparently, I guess he was on the Republican side of the watchers.“
Brooks said in a phone interview late Monday morning that he did not know if Giuliani knew about his conviction, but said he didn’t think it was relevant.
“I’m not sure, but all he asked — he was asking about the truth. I told him the truth and the other ones told him the truth,” Brooks said.
He also said he did not work directly for Clinton’s campaign in 2016, but for a third-party, pro-Clinton group he declined to name.
Brooks continued to deny the charges he was convicted of, alleging the victims were the children of neighborhood drug dealers he had targeted in his community activism. He also alleged Trenton politicians he criticized played a role as well.
“I went to prison for three-and-a-half years. That’s what they said I was did. I was 25-years-old,” Brooks said. “I was an activist always doing the right thing. They lied on me. The cops set me up.”
(11-09-2020, 09:20 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, if Democrats rigged this election some how, why did they lose seats in the House and fail to gain control of the Senate? Why are Republicans contesting the Presidential election results, but not those of down ballot races?
When you think about those two questions, that's all you need to know about the claims being made.
(11-09-2020, 09:33 AM)Au165 Wrote: I saw a funny post about that, "What kind of F'd up conspiracy still involves Mitch McConnell as the Senate Majority leader? That's all the proof you need there was no fraud."
FoxNews is spinning it this way. . .
"The fact that Republicans won on the down ballots is proof that a majority of voters voted Republican. So how could Trump have lost when all these other Republicans were winning? The only possible answer is that the Presidential vote was rigged."
I have heard that exact take from Martha Ingram and others. For some reason they ignore the fact that many of these Republicans that won were not raging assholes who had admitted to lying to citizens about the pandemic.
Like many big law firms, Jones Day, whose roots go back to Cleveland in the late 1800s, has prided itself on representing controversial clients. There was Big Tobacco. There was the Bin Laden family. There was even the hated owner of the Cleveland Browns football team as he moved the franchise to Baltimore.
Now Jones Day is the most prominent firm representing President Trump and the Republican Party as they prepare to wage a legal war challenging the results of the election. The work is intensifying concerns inside the firm about the propriety and wisdom of working for Mr. Trump, according to lawyers at the firm. Doing business with Mr. Trump — with his history of inflammatory rhetoric, meritless lawsuits and refusal to pay what he owes — has long induced heartburn among lawyers, contractors, suppliers and lenders. But the concerns are taking on new urgency as the president seeks to raise doubts about the election results. Some senior lawyers at Jones Day, one of the country’s largest law firms, are worried that it is advancing arguments that lack evidence and may be helping Mr. Trump and his allies undermine the integrity of American elections, according to interviews with nine partners and associates, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect their jobs. At another large firm, Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, based in Columbus, Ohio, lawyers have held internal meetings to voice similar concerns about their firm’s election-related work for Mr. Trump and the Republican Party, according to people at the firm. At least one lawyer quit in protest. Already, the two firms have filed at least four lawsuits challenging aspects of the election in Pennsylvania. The cases are pending. The latest salvo came on Monday evening, when the Trump campaign filed a suit in federal court in Pennsylvania against the Pennsylvania secretary of state and a number of county election boards. The suit — filed by lawyers at Porter Wright — alleged that there were “irregularities” in voting across the state. In recent days, Mr. Trump and his allies have been trying to raise money to bankroll their legal efforts. Some of the fund-raising entreaties have noted that a portion of donated money might be used to pay down the campaign’s existing debts, rather than to fund new legal efforts. While it is not clear which law firms will be filing the suits, Jones Day has been one of Mr. Trump’s most steadfast legal advisers. As Mr. Trump campaigned for president in 2016, a Jones Day partner, Donald F. McGahn II, served as his outside lawyer, leading recount fights in critical states. Mr. McGahn later became Mr. Trump’s White House counsel, before returning to Jones Day. At the time, some senior lawyers at Jones Day objected to working closely for a polarizing presidential candidate, according to three partners at the firm. They grimaced at the sight of Mr. McGahn standing with Mr. Trump onstage after he won the New Hampshire primary in February 2016. A month later, the firm hosted a meeting at its Capitol Hill office with Mr. Trump and Republican lawmakers as he sought to win over the party establishment. The firm’s work for Mr. Trump has also garnered it unfavorable public attention. “Jones Day, Hands Off Our Ballots,” read a mural painted on the street outside the law firm’s San Francisco offices late last week. During the Trump presidency, Jones Day has been involved in some 20 lawsuits involving Mr. Trump, his campaign or the Republican Party, and it worked for the Trump campaign on government investigations into Russian interference in the 2016 election. The work has been lucrative. Since 2015, Jones Day has received more than $20 million in fees from the Trump campaigns, political groups linked to Mr. Trump and the Republican National Committee, according to federal records. Jones Day lawyers said that was a small portion of the firm’s overall revenue. In addition to Mr. McGahn, a number of other partners at the firm joined the Trump administration. Noel Francisco became Mr. Trump’s first solicitor general. Eric Dreiband is an assistant attorney general in the Justice Department. Before the 2020 campaign, some partners at Jones Day said, they had to reassure clients that the firm’s representation of the Trump team would not influence the rest of the firm’s work, according to four partners. Lawyers at the firm have worked to promote gun control and have represented unaccompanied minors, including many detained by the federal government. But partners generally swallowed their concerns about the close relationship with Mr. Trump. Then the president and his allies, down in the polls, began fanning fears about voter fraud, part of a broader effort to sow doubts about the integrity of the election. “Many of the GOP’s litigation concerns are meritorious in principle. But the president’s inflammatory language undercuts the claim that Republicans seek merely to uphold statutory safeguards needed to validate the results’ credibility,” Benjamin L. Ginsberg, a longtime Republican elections lawyer who left Jones Day in August, wrote in The Washington Post the following month. After the election, as Mr. Trump’s reported lead in Pennsylvania was evaporating, Jones Day and Porter Wright petitioned the Supreme Court to segregate all ballots received after Nov. 3. Pennsylvania, they wrote in their brief, “may well determine the next President of the United States.” A prominent Republican lawyer, John M. Gore, is helping to lead the effort at Jones Day. He previously served as an assistant attorney general in Mr. Trump’s Justice Department. On Friday evening, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. ordered election officials in Pennsylvania to keep late-arriving ballots separate and not to include them in announced vote tallies. (Pennsylvania’s secretary of state had already given the same guidance.) Six Jones Day lawyers said that given the small number of late-arriving ballots involved in the litigation, and the fact that they already had been segregated, the main goal of the litigation seemed to be to erode public confidence in the election results. Jones Day did not respond to a request for comment. In recent days, two Jones Day lawyers said they had faced heckling from friends and others on social media about working at a firm that is supporting Mr. Trump’s efforts. A lawyer in Jones Day’s Washington office felt that the firm risked hurting itself by taking on work that undermined the rule of law. “To me, it seems extremely shortsighted,” the lawyer said. This year, Jones Day has received more than $4 million in fees from Mr. Trump, political groups supporting him and the Republican National Committee, according to the most recent Federal Election Commission records. A number of Democratic and Republican partners at Jones Day said that while some of their colleagues were grumbling about the Trump relationship, it was the firm’s obligation to continue representing long-term clients, even if individual lawyers disagreed with their politics or tactics. Two partners recalled how Jones Day had stuck with Art Modell, the embattled Cleveland Browns owner, even when there were death threats against the firm’s lawyers and security staff had to escort employees in Cleveland to their cars. The outcry at Porter Wright, which like Jones Day was founded in the 1800s in Ohio, appears more intense. In the past week, the firm has filed multiple lawsuits in Pennsylvania, trying to poke holes in the reliability of the election results on behalf of the Trump campaign and the R.N.C., among others. Porter Wright has received at least $727,000 in fees this year from the Trump campaign and R.N.C., according to federal records. Over the summer, some lawyers at Porter Wright were dismayed to learn that the firm would be representing the Trump campaign in Pennsylvania, according to three current and former employees. Chief among their concerns: How could lawyers, whose profession is based on the rule of law, represent someone who they felt had frequently tried to flout it? One lawyer said he was concerned that the firm might be asked to try to delay the election. Another said he quit in response to the decision to represent Mr. Trump in Pennsylvania. At two meetings, associates at Porter Wright told the firm’s partners that they objected to the work for the Trump campaign, according to the three current and former employees. They were told that the assignment was limited to the election in Pennsylvania. That assurance struck some attendees as hollow, since the state might decide the election. Robert J. Tannous, the firm’s managing partner, declined to comment in detail on the work for Mr. Trump. He said, “Porter Wright has a long history of representing candidates, political parties, interest groups and individuals at the local, state and federal levels on both sides of the aisle, and as a law firm will continue to do so.”
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It's also a bit troubling to me, and I feel like it should be troubling for Republicans too, that your current leaders and elected officials are MORE worried about losing Trump voters than they are about losing voters because of a party platform or policies.
They are willing to sell their souls for Trump's base. Almost like they know they won't have to actually DO anything other than invoke Trump rather than work toward solving problems and making America better.
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Kim Klacik, the person behind that viral conservative video trashing Baltimore, got destroyed in both the special election for my district and the general, despite raising more money (almost entirely out of state) than more than other House candidate with 5 or so exceptions.
She used that money to put her signs all over the district (in common areas, not lawns since she had very little support), send non stop mailers (never identified her party or her "political role model" (her words) Donald Trump, and hire people to work the polls.
She does not live in our district (though hilariously called herself a "proud Baltimore woman" when she grew up outside DC).
She failed to articulate any federal policies. her questionnaires were filled with boneheaded responses like "I'm going to listen to the Sec of Defense not the media" when asked what action Congress should take on North Korea.
She had no experience.
She's claiming on Twitter that she won the in person and early voting (she didn't) and that it has to be fraud that her opponent (a former city councilman, the congressman for our District before Cummings, and the former head of the NAACP) could have had so many votes for him via mail in ballots.
This is pathetic, but I guess this is the new GOP way.
Ironically, her political aspirations began with her complaining about trash in Baltimore and have ended with her leaving the city littered with her signs.
Quote:No Evidence of Systematic Fraud in U.S. Elections, International Observer Mission Reports
By Jess Bravin People watch results on a bar television in West Hollywood, Calif., on Thursday, two days after the election.CHRIS PIZZELLO/ASSOCIATED PRESS A team of international observers invited by the Trump administration has issued a preliminary report giving high marks to the conduct of last week’s elections--and it criticizes President Trump for making baseless allegations that the outcome resulted from systematic fraud.
A 28-member delegation from the Organization of American States followed events in several locations across the U.S., including in the battleground states of Georgia and Michigan, both remotely and with observers at polling stations and counting centers.
“While the OAS Mission has not directly observed any serious irregularities that call into question the results so far, it supports the right of all contesting parties in an election, to seek redress before the competent legal authorities when they believe they have been wronged,” the report said. “It is critical however, that candidates act responsibly by presenting and arguing legitimate claims before the courts, not unsubstantiated or harmful speculation in the public media.”
The OAS assessment followed similar findings by an election observation team from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
“Baseless allegations of systematic deficiencies, notably by the incumbent president, including on election night, harm public trust in democratic institutions,” Michael Georg Link, leader of the short-term OSCE observer mission, said last week.
The 20-OAS page report praised state and local officials for efforts to facilitate voting during the coronavirus pandemic and, while it had numerous recommendations for improving the elections system, found no evidence of the pervasive fraud that Mr. Trump, who has not conceded the presidential election, has insisted caused his loss to President-elect Joe Biden.
The report noted: '"In his statement the Republican candidate cast further aspersions on the US electoral process, stating that 'This is a case where they’re trying to steal an election. They’re trying to rig an election and we can’t let that happen.' The OAS observers deployed in the battleground states of Michigan and Georgia did not witness any of the aforementioned irregularities.'''
Led by OAS Secretary-General Luis Almagro, the 28-member team included specialists and observers from 13 countries. The OAS routinely sends missions to report independently on elections in member states; this year alone, its observers have filed reports from Costa Rica, the Dominican Republic, Guyana, Peru and Suriname.
The State Department invited the OAS to send in its team in October, and observers remained in place from Oct. 23 to Nov. 7.
“On Election Day, the members of the Mission were present at polling places in Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan and the District of Columbia, and observed the process from the opening of the polling centers through to the close of polls and the deposit of voting materials with the appropriate local authorities,'' the report said. "Members of the Mission also visited tabulations centers to observe the tallying of result. In the jurisdictions that it observed, the Mission found that the day progressed in a peaceful manner.”
The Mission notes that attempts by members of the public to ‘stop the count,’ in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Arizona, "were clear examples of intimidation of electoral officials.”
A more detailed final report is forthcoming, the OAS said.
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It makes me wonder if they are just trying to sooth Trump's ego or if they are so dirty they have to have him stay in office to protect themselves.
“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.” -- Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, one week after Trump lost the election to President-Elect Joe Biden pic.twitter.com/G8JwYWZN1I
(11-10-2020, 03:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: It makes me wonder if they are just trying to sooth Trump's ego or if they are so dirty they have to have him stay in office to protect themselves.
“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.” -- Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, one week after Trump lost the election to President-Elect Joe Biden pic.twitter.com/G8JwYWZN1I
I've gotta say, the whole "sore losers" narrative from 2016 definitely seems extra ridiculous as we see how GOP officials are acting right now.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(11-10-2020, 04:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I've gotta say, the whole "sore losers" narrative from 2016 definitely seems extra ridiculous as we see how GOP officials are acting right now.
I'm struggling with how to approach that.
On one hand many on the left did moan and complain (and march) a lot just because Trump won. But on the other they were not contesting the election...they were voicing their displeasure that Trump was in office and they were afraid of how he would govern.
Four years later and the right is actually complaining that they were CHEATED and Trump should be declared the winner...because Trump said it.
Never mind...I agree the right is being ridiculous.
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(11-10-2020, 04:39 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I've gotta say, the whole "sore losers" narrative from 2016 definitely seems extra ridiculous as we see how GOP officials are acting right now.
Democrats were in a somewhat precarious position this election cycle [with the nature of what the Republican party has become under Mr. Trump] in that -- win or lose -- they were going to be accused of "trying to steal the election."
If they won, which they now have, they obviously committed fraud with rampant corruption afoot. If they had lost and challenged results in any way -- as Mr. Trump currently is -- they would be accused of attempting to override the voice of the people.
(11-10-2020, 04:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm struggling with how to approach that.
On one hand many on the left did moan and complain (and march) a lot just because Trump won. But on the other they were not contesting the election...they were voicing their displeasure that Trump was in office and they were afraid of how he would govern.
Four years later and the right is actually complaining that they were CHEATED and Trump should be declared the winner...because Trump said it.
Never mind...I agree the right is being ridiculous.
That's what I don't get about those trying to say this is no different that what the left did in 2016. Democratic officials congratulated Trump almost immediately and said "let's get to work." The people were pissed that Trump won, but they accepted that he won. Even the whole Russia thing wasn't about trying to delegitimize the election as much as people on the right tried to claim it was.
What we are seeing on the right is unprecedented.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
(11-10-2020, 03:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: It makes me wonder if they are just trying to sooth Trump's ego or if they are so dirty they have to have him stay in office to protect themselves.
“There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.” -- Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, one week after Trump lost the election to President-Elect Joe Biden pic.twitter.com/G8JwYWZN1I
With Graham saying republicans will never win an election again if this isn’t contested that hints the true depths of the corruption over the last four years could mean their undoing if it gets out.
(11-10-2020, 04:49 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Democrats were in a somewhat precarious position this election cycle [with the nature of what the Republican party has become under Mr. Trump] in that -- win or lose -- they were going to be accused of "trying to steal the election."
If they won, which they now have, they obviously committed fraud with rampant corruption afoot. If they had lost and challenged results in any way -- as Mr. Trump currently is -- they would be accused of attempting to override the voice of the people.
Trump won in 2016 and he still to this day talks about how the democrats committed fraud in that election. Even when Trump wins he asserts that he's been cheated and fraud occurred because he didn't win by as much as he thinks he should have.
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