Kavanaugh SCOTUS hearings

[Vlad]

Commences with the usual shrieking belligerent adorable democrats.

https://news.grabien.com/story-kavanaugh-hearings-kick-belligerent-shrieking-hecklers

Kavanaugh a fine choice for the SCOTUS. Anyone disagree?

[fredtoast]

More sound an fury signifying nothing.

The liberals are just putting on a show for their followers. They know the nomination will go through.

Conservatives would do the exact same thing if they were in the Dems position.

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Being as I work so hard; I get 2 days off for Labor Day and I have the opportunity to watch this circus. About every 2-3 minutes a heckler starts yelling nonsense and gets escorted out of the chamber. His children had to leave their father's confirmation.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 12:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Being as I work so hard; I get 2 days off for Labor Day and I have the opportunity to watch this circus. About every  2-3 minutes a heckler starts yelling nonsense and gets escorted out of the chamber. His children had to leave their father's confirmation.

Why are his children there?

That showboating aside: Does no one have a problem with so much of his judicial history not being released?

[Vlad]

LOL!

That's right democrats, we need to confirm Kavanaugh before we find out whats in it...right Nancy?

Hours before Kavanaugh hearings, Bush lawyer releases 42,000 pages to Judiciary Committee

Hours before the start of hearings on Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the Supreme Court, the lawyer for former president George W. Bush turned over 42,000 pages of documents from the nominee’s service in the Bush White House, angering Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, who issued what is certain to be a futile call to delay the proceedings.


“Not a single senator will be able to review these records before tomorrow,” Schumer (D-N.Y.) tweeted

 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5290c3d37a93
 

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(09-04-2018, 01:05 PM)GMDino Wrote: Why are his children there?

That showboating aside: Does no one have a problem with so much of his judicial history not being released?

I suppose he wanted them to experience his confirmation.

From what I've heard more documents have been released in this confirmation than the last 5 combined. The docs that the left are up in arms about are White House documents when he was just the clerk and none of his rulings.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 01:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I suppose he wanted them to experience his confirmation.

From what I've heard more documents have been released in this confirmation than the last 5 combined. The docs that the left are up in arms about are White House documents when he was just the clerk and none of his rulings.

Eh, you'd think he was smarter than to allow children into something everyone knew would be contentious as best and would be covering several adult topics.

He had more documents...that's why.  Better yet, what are they hiding?

I know it doesn't matter because he was already approved by Trump's base.  I'm just curious.

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(09-04-2018, 02:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Eh, you'd think he was smarter than to allow children into something everyone knew would be contentious as best and would be covering several adult topics.

He had more documents...that's why.  Better yet, what are they hiding?

I know it doesn't matter because he was already approved by Trump's base.  I'm just curious.

Meh, he's probably not the first to underestimate the spite of the Left.

According to those in the know; any "hiding" has nothing to do with Kavanaugh; as they were during a period when he was merely a clerk. They  were withheld as the Bush administration envolked constitutional privilege. So any issue with the unreleased documents should be aimed at the Bush admin and not Kavanaugh's confirmation.

But as Fred said; it's just grandstanding for the base. Is it any coincidence that Durbin held a closed door meeting on how they would approach this and 2 of the early 2020 POTUS candidates (Harris and Booker) spoke the loudest.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 02:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Meh, he's probably not the first to underestimate the spite of the Left.

According to those in the know; any "hiding" has nothing to do with Kavanaugh; as they were during a period when he was merely a clerk. They  were withheld as the Bush administration envolked constitutional privilege. So any issue with the unreleased documents should be aimed at the Bush admin and not Kavanaugh's confirmation.

But as Fred said; it's just grandstanding for the base. Is it any coincidence that Durbin held a closed door meeting on how they would approach this and 2 of the early 2020 POTUS candidates (Harris and Booker) spoke the loudest.

Left, right...maybe he's just not smart?

Or maybe, just spitballing here, maybe he did it for show?  "Grandstanding" as it were.  

I suppose it's no coincidence the GOP is trying to rush this through before the midterm elections too.  Nah, that would be partisan.  

[Benton]

(09-04-2018, 12:11 PM)Vlad Wrote: Kavanaugh a fine choice for the SCOTUS. Anyone disagree?

He’s probably one of my least favorite from trumps list. Pro-business, socially middle of the road. He likely won’t have any impact on attempts to overturn roe c wade, which will make conservatives even more vocal about needing to elect candidates to enact more legislation that will get shot down by the court. But he likely will continue protecting the rights of big businesses, which has given us a mixed economic bag.

But who knows. He’s reversed his opinion before so he might do it again on any number of things, from business rights to women’s rights.

I really don’t see what left leaning lawmakers are fflipping out about, other than playing politics. They really couldn’t have asked for much better.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 02:44 PM)Benton Wrote: He’s probably one of my least favorite from trumps list. Pro-business, socially middle of the road. He likely won’t have any impact on attempts to overturn roe c wade, which will make conservatives even more vocal about needing to elect candidates to enact more legislation that will get shot down by the court. But he likely will continue protecting the rights of big businesses, which has given us a mixed economic bag.

But who knows. He’s reversed his opinion before so he might do it again on any number of things, from business rights to women’s rights.

I really don’t see what  left leaning lawmakers are fflipping out about, other than playing politics. They really couldn’t have asked for much better.

They had better.  The GOP refused to even meet with him.

All seriousness aside there is also Kavanaugh's love for Presidential power and lack of accountability.  Something that *kind of * plays into everything going on with Trump right now.

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(09-04-2018, 02:43 PM)GMDino Wrote: Left, right...maybe he's just not smart?

Or maybe, just spitballing here, maybe he did it for show?  "Grandstanding" as it were.  

I suppose it's no coincidence the GOP is trying to rush this through before the midterm elections too.  Nah, that would be partisan.  

Nothing has ever stopped you from thinking the worst of someone; why start now?

Who knew 60 days from nomination was "rushing".

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FWIW, Ben Sasse is my new favorite Senator. He bashed in peers both left and right.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 02:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nothing has ever stopped you from thinking the worst of someone; why start now?

Personal slurs of me aside, I'm just asking.  But who knows.  Maybe he let's his children in on discussion of abortion rights at home too?

(09-04-2018, 02:53 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Who knew 60 days from nomination was "rushing".

Oh, just compared to the last time there was a SC seat open....

Carry on.

[*bfine32*]

(09-04-2018, 02:58 PM)GMDino Wrote: Personal slurs of me aside, I'm just asking.  But who knows.  Maybe he let's his children in on discussion of abortion rights at home too?


Oh, just compared to the last time there was a SC seat open....

Carry on.

Yeah, Gorsuch was about 60 days from nomination to confirmation. The average is about 60-70 days

Carrying on.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 03:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Yeah, Gorsuch was about 60 days from nomination to confirmation.

Carrying on.

Whoo hoo!  Ya got me!

I mean I know you know I meant when Obama was POTUS...but you got me.

Kudos! I bet that one felt good!

[Benton]

(09-04-2018, 02:51 PM)GMDino Wrote: All seriousness aside there is also Kavanaugh's love for Presidential power and lack of accountability.  Something that *kind of * plays into everything going on with Trump right now.

That’s pretty universal in politics. Congress doesn’t even try to hide its corruption. At least the executive branch beats on drums and gives everyone a good show (regardless of which side is in). The judicial branch hasn’t really had issues in the recent past, but I will say it seems to be growing in the state level mindset with judges and staff taking more liberties. Kentucky’s recent Supreme Court audits weren’t glowing as taxpayers funded apartments, parties, etc.

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 03:07 PM)Benton Wrote: That’s pretty universal in politics. Congress doesn’t even try to hide its corruption. At least the executive branch beats on drums and gives everyone a good show (regardless of which side is in). The judicial branch hasn’t really had issues in the recent past, but I will say it seems to be growing in the state level mindset with judges and staff taking more liberties. Kentucky’s recent Supreme Court audits weren’t glowing as taxpayers funded apartments, parties, etc.

So we can't want people who don't think that way instead?

[GMDino]

(09-04-2018, 02:40 PM)bfine32 Wrote: According to those in the know; any "hiding" has nothing to do with Kavanaugh; as they were during a period when he was merely a clerk. They  were withheld as the Bush administration envolked constitutional privilege. So any issue with the unreleased documents should be aimed at the Bush admin and not Kavanaugh's confirmation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/brett-kavanaugh-bushs-intellectual-body-man/2018/08/24/7c6b989e-a0d8-11e8-b562-1db4209bd992_story.html?utm_term=.c2c42281c675

Quote:Kavanaugh, now President Trump’s nominee to the Supreme Court, had an ordinary-sounding title: staff secretary. But he wielded extraordinary influence as the adviser responsible for screening, reviewing and editing documents delivered to Bush, interviews and documents show.


“Ultimately, the umpire was Brett,” said Karl Rove, a Bush adviser and one of the people Kavanaugh worked with closely as staff secretary.

Many Supreme Court justices over the decades have held strong political views or been active in liberal or conservative causes. Justice Elena Kagan, a law professor, served as an associate counsel and adviser in the Clinton White House. Former Justice Abe Fortas privately advised President Lyndon B. Johnson on political matters. William Rehnquist was ­active in the Republican Party in Arizona before he became a ­justice.

But no justice in recent memory has worked as intently as Kavanaugh at the highest levels of the nation’s political machinery, scholars said. His time as staff secretary, from 2003 to 2006, was the culmination of a political and legal apprenticeship that lasted more than a decade, enabling him to demonstrate his zeal for conservative principles and putting him on a path to the Supreme Court.


Documents and interviews show that while Kavanaugh was not a policymaker, he was directly involved in helping the White House manage a wide array of sensitive matters, including the war on terrorism, the treatment of enemy combatants and warrantless wiretapping.


“It put Kavanaugh at the center of every political and policy decision at the Bush White House,” said Peter Irons, professor emeritus at the University of California at San Diego and author of several books about the Supreme Court. “He is exactly the kind of person that the legal conservative movement wants on the court.”

His tenure is now a source of controversy, because much of his work in the White House has been cloaked by presidential privilege. Republicans have declined to request records from that era, suggesting that they would not be revelatory.

“He was more or less a traffic cop,” Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Tex.) said last month.

Questions about Kavanaugh’s work in the political realm surfaced in 2004, after he was nominated by Bush to be a circuit court judge. Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) alleged that the “nomination appears to be judicial payment for political services rendered.”

“In fact, Mr. Kavanaugh would probably win first prize as the hard-right’s political lawyer,” Schumer said, according to a transcript of the nomination hearing.

Kavanaugh defended himself vigorously, saying that prior political affiliations did not necessarily impede a good judge’s performance.

“There is one kind of judge,” he said during the hearing. “There is an independent judge under our Constitution. And the fact that they may have been a Republican or Democrat . . . in a past life is completely irrelevant to how they conduct themselves as judges.”
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The first day of Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings on Sept. 4 was delayed nearly 90 minutes as Democrats made repeated motions to adjourn. (JM Rieger/The Washington Post)

As the Senate Judiciary Committee prepares for confirmation hearings starting Sept. 4, much remains unknown about that significant stretch of Kavanaugh’s career. 

Most of the millions of documents relating to his White House service will not be available for review before his confirmation. The committee has received batches of records from the George W. Bush library, releasing tens of thousands of documents in recent weeks. But most relate to Kavanaugh’s years in the White House Counsel’s Office, before he became staff secretary, and have been devoid of telling detail. Democrats have complained they can’t properly take stock of ­Kavanaugh.

“We asked for documents from Kavanaugh’s time as staff secretary because he admitted those years shaped his views as a judge, particularly with regard to issues of executive power,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said in a ­statement.


“We also need to know more about his involvement with controversial issues like torture, warrantless wiretapping and presidential signing statements,” Feinstein said. “He has a far more extensive record in politics than previous nominees. It’s critical that senators see the full picture to understand how those political positions influenced his current views.”

White House spokesman Raj Shah said Kavanaugh has demonstrated his commitment to taking a judicious and fair-minded approach to the Supreme Court.

“What will tell you most about the type of Supreme Court Justice he will make are the 307 opinions he wrote as a Judge on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, a dozen of which were affirmed by the Supreme Court, over the last 12 years,” Shah said in a statement. “His opinions are widely cited by judges, appointed by presidents of both parties, in courts across the country. They demonstrate independence and a fidelity to our laws and constitution.”

To find clues about Kavanaugh’s role as staff secretary, The Washington Post examined more than 2,000 pages of emails and other documents previously released by the Bush library, along with scores of emails contained in 191 pages of documents released last week by the Justice Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Fix the Court, a group advocating for more transparency in the federal court system.

The Bush library and Justice Department emails have been heavily redacted, with most of the content removed, as part of the government’s normal application of exemptions under the federal Freedom of Information Act or the Presidential Records Act. But combined with Kavanaugh’s public statements and writings, the email addresses and subject lines provide granularity to a composite portrait of him in the years he was staff secretary and before.

Kavanaugh was responsible for managing the process that helped shape the president’s thinking and fueled the Bush administration agenda. “He was everywhere,” said Michael Gerson, a speechwriter in the Bush administration and now a syndicated columnist at The Post.

Gerson, Rove and others said Kavanaugh was an honest broker, even as he conveyed competing ideas to the president.

“Virtually every piece of paper had to pass through the staff secretary’s hands,” Rove said.

Kavanaugh, now 53, has described the White House jobs — ending in 2006 when he was confirmed as a federal judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit — as an unrelenting mix of demands that required him to constantly consider the legal, policy, legislative, political, international and public relations implications of White House actions. 
Bush's Senior Political Advisor Karl Rove, left, walks with his arms around staff secretary Brett Kavanaugh on Oct. 2, 2004, after stepping off Marine One at Andrews Air Force Base. (Paul J. Richards/AFP/Getty Images)

“I spent a good deal of time on Capitol Hill, sometimes in the middle of the night, working on legislation — it’s not a pure or pristine process,” Kavanaugh wrote in an essay for Marquette Lawyer Magazine in the fall of 2016.


“I worked on drafting and revising executive orders, as well as disputes over executive branch records,” he wrote. “I saw regulatory agencies screw up . . . I saw the good and the bad sides of a president’s trying to run for reelection and to raise money while still being president. I was involved in the process for lots of presidential speeches. I traveled almost everywhere with the president for about three years. I ­mostly recall the massive decisions that had to be made on short notice.”

Kavanaugh’s roots in the conservative legal world date to at least 1988. While attending Yale Law School, he joined the conservative-libertarian Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, and has since spoken at dozens of the group’s events.

In the early 1990s, he worked under Kenneth Starr in the Solicitor General’s Office in the administration of President George H.W. Bush. He served as clerk to Supreme Court Justice Anthony M. Kennedy and worked under Starr again in the independent counsel’s office that investigated President Bill Clinton.

Some of the emails released by the Bush library come from Kavanaugh’s days in the White House Counsel’s Office, which he joined in 2001.

On October 10, 2002, Kavanaugh received or was copied on emails relating to enemy combatants and the Guantanamo prison. The subject line of one email read: “If you get asked about detainees at Quantanamo.”
The email contained a set of Defense Department talking points from Jan. 17, 2002, titled “The War Against Terrorism.”

“Karen — here are some on the GITMO folks. I am working with Justice on the domestic people we are holding. Stay turned for more talkers.”

The emails also show that Kavanaugh worked with others on up to 22 drafts to refine Bush’s speeches, while also editing radio addresses and routine statements. People familiar with his work said he was effectively an intellectual body man for the president, one who constantly asked questions of his colleagues and kept in mind the implications of the president’s statements and policies. 


Kavanaugh was often at Bush’s side, here and abroad. On June 5, 2004, the day that former president Ronald Reagan died, Kavanaugh had to wake up Bush in the American Embassy during a trip to France to make a statement.

On Sept. 3, 2005, Kavanaugh received a call that Rehnquist had died. He needed to meet with Bush and White House speechwriters early the next morning to prepare remarks.

“I was profoundly sad, but I had no time to dwell on it,” Kavanaugh recalled in a lecture published last year by the American Enterprise Institute.

In December 2005, not long before he left the White House, Kavanaugh joined in an administrative scramble to respond to bombshell revelations in the New York Times of a warrantless wiretapping program that was launched after Sept. 11, 2001, according to the Justice Department emails.

Kavanaugh and others weighed in on talking points from the National Security Agency that spelled out the legal authorization for the surveillance program. On Dec. 20, 2005, Kavanaugh recommended that amended talking points be shared with the NSA before their release.

“I think we should make sure General Hayden sees these before they go,” Kavanaugh wrote.

"merely a clerk"

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Wow, the Left on this committee, in the peanut gallery and on this board are the biggest bunch of babies and whack jobs I have ever seen.

Just imagine when RBG or that other guy retires or dies and Trump gets to nominate a right leaning justice to replace a lefty...it's going to be GLORIOUS