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[Rotobeast]

(02-27-2016, 05:30 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: So it is a Jewish conspiracy to paint the Nazis in a negative light?  Did the Bolsheviks write all the history books?

Not sure... but It's odd that Patton happened to die, after making certain comments. 

Makes you wonder...

[jmccracky]

No one knows the exact number of Jews killed by tha Nazis.. However, there is overwhelming evidence that genocide was being acted upon the Jewish people.

Hitler, 1922-

"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.".

But hey, let's go ahead and say it didn't happen. Or, let's just say that it wasn't "that bad.". And while we are at it, we also say that the former Nazi's that were brought up on was crimes were tortured into their testimonies. That's it.

[jmccracky]

(02-27-2016, 06:48 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: No one knows the exact number of Jews killed by tha Nazis.. However, there is overwhelming evidence that genocide was being acted upon the Jewish people.

Hitler, 1922-

"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.".

But hey, let's go ahead and say it didn't happen. Or, let's just say that it wasn't "that bad.". And while we are at it, we also say that the former Nazi's that were brought up on was crimes were tortured into their testimonies. That's it.  

Sorry if the above post sounds smart assy' lol. I am curious as to why you guys think like that. I have  read similar thoughts on White Supremacist sites. Feel free to discuss the issue. I ain't here to get all mad n stuff. 

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-27-2016, 06:48 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: No one knows the exact number of Jews killed by tha Nazis.. However, there is overwhelming evidence that genocide was being acted upon the Jewish people.

Hitler, 1922-

"Once I really am in power, my first and foremost task will be the annihilation of the Jews. As soon as I have the power to do so, I will have gallows built in rows - at the Marienplatz in Munich, for example - as many as traffic allows. Then the Jews will be hanged indiscriminately, and they will remain hanging until they stink; they will hang there as long as the principles of hygiene permit. As soon as they have been untied, the next batch will be strung up, and so on down the line, until the last Jew in Munich has been exterminated. Other cities will follow suit, precisely in this fashion, until all Germany has been completely cleansed of Jews.".

But hey, let's go ahead and say it didn't happen. Or, let's just say that it wasn't "that bad.". And while we are at it, we also say that the former Nazi's that were brought up on was crimes were tortured into their testimonies. That's it.  

(02-27-2016, 06:56 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Sorry if the above post sounds smart assy' lol. I am curious as to why you guys think like that. I have  read similar thoughts on White Supremacist sites. Feel free to discuss the issue. I ain't here to get all mad n stuff. 

No worries.

I want to clarify my stance before I begin.

I do believe the Holocaust took place.  I do believe the Jews persecuted.  I do believe we were right in stopping Hitler.

However:

Major red flag for me, is we are only allowed 1 side of the story.  When something is made illegal, that automatically attracts interest in certain people.  So when you can go to jail for asking why the doors to the gas chambers in Auschwitz open inward and not outward, that is pretty fishy to me. 

Now to your quote - some would say Hitler being a National Socialist (which I abhor socialism btw) was only concerned with removing the Jews from Europe, especially from Germany.  He was also talking about removing Jewish influence in German politics.  Notice he only talks about Munich and Germany.  He didn't say that he was going to go into Israel and exterminate them there.  He said until they were out of Germany.  You see, nationalist have this notion of boarders to separate the nations.  So to them, the Jews shouldn't be in Germany and they shouldn't be interfering with German policies.  There was a huge call for immigrants to come into Germany (mainly from Muslim countries) and the Germany that the Germans once knew was fading.  So the response was to remove non-Germans from Germany.

Now most who question the validity of the claims will state that they believe the Jews were killed, however Typhoid Fever was also running rampant at the time and so the question they have is, How many of the 6 million died from Typhoid Fever as opposed to the dreaded gas chambers?  Anne Frank is often considered a victim of the Holocaust, which would make most people assume that she died in a gas chamber or in some other horrendous fashion.

She died from Typhoid Fever.  She was in a concentration camp when she died, but the cause was not as nefarious as some people think.

Now you might say that it was the extreme living conditions.  Well Germany was waging a war.  So these conditions were to be expected. 

You might say, there shouldn't have been camps to begin with.  We had similar camps here in America for the Japanese, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.  A difference, and it is a huge one, is that America wasn't being bombed on a regular basis as Germany was.

So again.  It isn't necessarily that people don't believe in the Holocaust or the persecution of the Jews.  All they want is to be able to freely research it.  Again the Bolsheviks were in an alliance with the Jewish Bund.  A lot of our reports that we received, were from them, and no one seems to be allowed to question those reports. 

The simple solution (and not a final one) is to decide for yourself, if you believe everything is genuine then fine, accept it.  There is nothing wrong with it and you have lost nothing.  If you believe that something is hidden and that something is being covered up, then all you can do is question and keep researching for more clues.  If there is nothing then you will find nothing.

BTW: There is evidence that White Genocide is taking place right now. We have people that believe in it and we also have people (which I am sure most on this board will agree) that it is a myth and not real. So people turning a blind eye to genocide is nothing new.

[jmccracky]

If I starve a child to death, or don't help them get treated for an illness, and they die as a result, isn't it still murder? Sure, not every concentration camp had gas chambers and ovens, but people were simply starved to death. There were witness accounts that Anne Frank had symptoms of typhus, but nothing proven. I could be wrong, but her death is still a mystery. Either way, we have to look at why some countries ban denying or believing in the Holocaust. However, I don't think it is to help the Jewish people cover up something or any other anti Semitic BS the scum Nazi supporters drum up.

[Rotobeast]

(02-27-2016, 07:56 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: So when you can go to jail for asking why the doors to the gas chambers in Auschwitz open inward and not outward, that is pretty fishy to me. 

I do not know for sure, but I can make an educated guess.
I would wager that the chambers were not vented to maintain pressure and it was designed to contain the gas completely.
That being the case, the best engineering idea would be to have the doors open inward.
That way the door would be forced back against the seal, with the increased pressure from the gas being pumped in.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-27-2016, 08:39 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: If I starve a child to death, or don't help them get treated for an illness, and they die as a result, isn't it still murder? Sure, not every concentration camp had gas chambers and ovens, but people were simply starved to death. There were witness accounts that Anne Frank had symptoms of typhus, but nothing proven. I could be wrong, but her death is still a mystery. Either way, we have to look at why some countries ban denying or believing in the Holocaust. However, I don't think it is to help the Jewish people cover up something or any other anti Semitic BS the scum Nazi supporters drum up.

Well, was there a food shortage in the area?  That would account for starvation.  As I have pointed out, Germany was under constant bombardment.  Not so easy getting supplies. 

As far as withholding treatments for illness, there are reports, in German, that German military doctors did assist and try to save many people that were ill.

Zyklon B - the chemical that was used in the gas chamber was also used as a disinfectant.  One of the guys that have questioned the Holocaust a Jewish guy, David Cole, found residue of this chemical in the infirmary.  However he couldn't find any evidence of it's use in the gas chamber.

What he postulates is that the chemical was used on clothing in the hospital to kill the typhoid virus spreading through the region and not actually on the people. 

Like I said, you either just accept the information you are given or you don't.  Some accept, others do not.

[jmccracky]

Zyklon B aka HCN is used in the US today to execute people on death row. Yes , it was widely used in Europe to de-louse people at the time. However, it was quite efficient in killing humans and easy to obtain. So yeah, I do accept the information I am given. In no way does the information you have debunk what I am saying or vice verse. You can either choose to believe in some theories that Nazi sympathizers put out there, or believe the atrocities did happen.

[Rotobeast]

(02-27-2016, 09:25 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Zyklon B aka HCN is used in the US today to execute people on death row. Yes , it was widely used in Europe to de-louse people at the time. However, it was quite efficient in killing humans and easy to obtain. So yeah, I do accept the information I am given. In no way does the information you have debunk what I am saying or vice verse. You can either choose to believe in some theories that Nazi sympathizers put out there, or believe the atrocities did happen.

If I'm not mistaken, there was even a factory that produced it in one of the work camps.

[jmccracky]

(02-27-2016, 09:29 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: If I'm not mistaken, there was even a factory that produced it in one of the work camps.

You are correct sir. Since I have discovered Judaism, this stuff is of interest to me. I do like hearing different takes on it. 

[Rotobeast]

(02-27-2016, 10:13 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: You are correct sir. Since I have discovered Judaism, this stuff is of interest to me. I do like hearing different takes on it. 

I'm not sure of the validity of it, but here is the Patton comments that I was speaking of.
http://www.rense.com/general85/pats.htm
This is the first source that popped up on Google, so I don't know what this source is like.
I just remember reading it somewhere and I'm tired, so this is a quick reference.

Of course, Patton could have been an anti-Semite the whole time and never revealed it.

It's just odd that he died shortly after.

[jmccracky]

(02-27-2016, 10:31 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I'm not sure of the validity of it, but here is the Patton comments that I was speaking of.
http://www.rense.com/general85/pats.htm
This is the first source that popped up on Google, so I don't know what this source is like.
I just remember reading it somewhere and I'm tired, so this is a quick reference.

Of course, Patton could have been an anti-Semite the whole time and never revealed it.

It's just odd that he died shortly after.

Thanks man. I will check it out later tonight when I have time. Now, I have heard that Patton was a Jew hater, but I can't say he was, for sure. I definitely will like to read about his death and a possible connection. 

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-27-2016, 08:48 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I do not know for sure, but I can make an educated guess.
I would wager that the chambers were not vented to maintain pressure and it was designed to contain the gas completely.
That being the case, the best engineering idea would be to have the doors open inward.
That way the door would be forced back against the seal, with the increased pressure from the gas being pumped in.

Well here is the thing, it was the only entrance and exit.

If they killed as many people as they said, in the manner in which they have claimed, then the doors wouldn't have been feasible.

The panic that would ensue after the 1st few seconds of releasing the gas would cause those inside the chamber to push toward the only entrance or exit available.  The inward swinging doors.  Now 1 dead body can be pushed and even maybe 10-15.  However we are talking hundreds of people at a time.

In order to enter in to clear out the chamber for the next group, they would have had to remove the door and replace it every time.  Maybe they did, but it just doesn't seem feasible.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-27-2016, 09:25 PM)CharvelPlaya Wrote: Zyklon B aka HCN is used in the US today to execute people on death row. Yes , it was widely used in Europe to de-louse people at the time. However, it was quite efficient in killing humans and easy to obtain. So yeah, I do accept the information I am given. In no way does the information you have debunk what I am saying or vice verse. You can either choose to believe in some theories that Nazi sympathizers put out there, or believe the atrocities did happen.

Well, I choose to let people research and discuss freely the topic.  Instead of calling those who may question the information Nazi Supporters.

I profess freely, that I believe that the Jews were persecuted and that atrocities happened.

However, I also find some things not quite adding up.  It would be wonderful if we could send in some objective forensic experts from the "Nazi Sympathizers" and the "Nazi Haters" side of things.  Send them into Auschwitz and do a comprehensive report.  For some reason that thought is frowned upon by the established narrative.

[Benton]

(02-27-2016, 07:56 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: No worries.

I want to clarify my stance before I begin.

I do believe the Holocaust took place.  I do believe the Jews persecuted.  I do believe we were right in stopping Hitler.

However:

Major red flag for me, is we are only allowed 1 side of the story.  When something is made illegal, that automatically attracts interest in certain people.  So when you can go to jail for asking why the doors to the gas chambers in Auschwitz open inward and not outward, that is pretty fishy to me. 

Now to your quote - some would say Hitler being a National Socialist (which I abhor socialism btw) was only concerned with removing the Jews from Europe, especially from Germany.  He was also talking about removing Jewish influence in German politics.  Notice he only talks about Munich and Germany.  He didn't say that he was going to go into Israel and exterminate them there.  He said until they were out of Germany.  You see, nationalist have this notion of boarders to separate the nations.  So to them, the Jews shouldn't be in Germany and they shouldn't be interfering with German policies.  There was a huge call for immigrants to come into Germany (mainly from Muslim countries) and the Germany that the Germans once knew was fading.  So the response was to remove non-Germans from Germany.

Now most who question the validity of the claims will state that they believe the Jews were killed, however Typhoid Fever was also running rampant at the time and so the question they have is, How many of the 6 million died from Typhoid Fever as opposed to the dreaded gas chambers?  Anne Frank is often considered a victim of the Holocaust, which would make most people assume that she died in a gas chamber or in some other horrendous fashion.

She died from Typhoid Fever.  She was in a concentration camp when she died, but the cause was not as nefarious as some people think.

Now you might say that it was the extreme living conditions.  Well Germany was waging a war.  So these conditions were to be expected. 

You might say, there shouldn't have been camps to begin with.  We had similar camps here in America for the Japanese, after the attack on Pearl Harbor.  A difference, and it is a huge one, is that America wasn't being bombed on a regular basis as Germany was.

So again.  It isn't necessarily that people don't believe in the Holocaust or the persecution of the Jews.  All they want is to be able to freely research it.  Again the Bolsheviks were in an alliance with the Jewish Bund.  A lot of our reports that we received, were from them, and no one seems to be allowed to question those reports. 

The simple solution (and not a final one) is to decide for yourself, if you believe everything is genuine then fine, accept it.  There is nothing wrong with it and you have lost nothing.  If you believe that something is hidden and that something is being covered up, then all you can do is question and keep researching for more clues.  If there is nothing then you will find nothing.

BTW:  There is evidence that White Genocide is taking place right now.  We have people that believe in it and we also have people (which I am sure most on this board will agree) that it is a myth and not real.  So people turning a blind eye to genocide is nothing new.

Hitler didn't have to mention Israel or other countries. His allies did it for him. Following the Second Aliyah Jews were traveling throughout Europe heading back to Palestine. Germany had less than 1 million Jews, but accounted for killing 6 million. He had help. Italy, for example, had already passed laws prohibiting rights for Jews.

Hitler's policies only worked as long as Germany was in a constant state of war. He needed to remove peoples rights. War allowed that. He needed to seize individual property in the name of public good. War allowed that. He needed to lessen political opposition, so he did away with worker unions and seized their holdings. War allowed that.

[Vlad]

This video features 10 newspaper articles from 1915 to 1938 talking about 6 million Jews either dying or being persecuted in Europe.
Um...that's before WWII started. The 1935 newspaper I believe mentions the word "Holocaust".





The Holocaust supposedly occurred from 1938 to 1945. Hitler announced the Final Solution in 1942.
Do the math. Assuming you take into account all 7 years, 71,482 Jews per month would have had to been rounded up, transported and killed to come up with the 6 million figure.
An enormous undertaking.

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-27-2016, 11:56 PM)Benton Wrote: Hitler didn't have to mention Israel or other countries. His allies did it for him. Following the Second Aliyah Jews were traveling throughout Europe heading back to Palestine. Germany had less than 1 million Jews, but accounted for killing 6 million. He had help. Italy, for example, had already passed laws prohibiting rights for Jews.

Hitler's policies only worked as long as Germany was in a constant state of war. He needed to remove peoples rights. War allowed that. He needed to seize individual property in the name of public good. War allowed that. He needed to lessen political opposition, so he did away with worker unions and seized their holdings. War allowed that.

All true points. 

As I have already said, I abhor Socialism and that is what Hitler was, a socialist.

As to prohibiting rights for Jews. 

I always found it rather odd how a non native group of people demand rights from the native group.  Now if you consider Jew as a religion and not a race, then sure, that would make sense, because then anyone could become Jewish as long as they convert.

You must also consider Jew as a race of people.  So if they are a race of people, then for them to go into Italy and demand rights from the Italian people to me is odd.  That would be like for me to go into your house and then demand that you allow me to do everything that you do in your house. 

[Sovereign Nation]

(02-28-2016, 12:50 AM)Vlad Wrote: This video features 10 newspaper articles from 1915 to 1938 talking about 6 million Jews either dying or being persecuted in Europe.
Um...that's before WWII started. The 1935 newspaper I believe mentions the word "Holocaust".





The Holocaust supposedly occurred from 1938 to 1945. Hitler announced the Final Solution in 1942.
Do the math. Assuming you take into account all 7 years, 71,482 Jews per month would have had to been rounded up, transported and killed to come up with the 6 million figure.
An enormous undertaking.

I have seen this as well.  Which is another red flag.  The number 6 million was used in earlier news articles than when the Holocaust took place.

The amount of Jews killed during the time frame also was quite extensive.  That is why the inward opening doors were so out of place.

[Benton]

(02-28-2016, 01:08 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: All true points. 

As I have already said, I abhor Socialism and that is what Hitler was, a socialist.

As to prohibiting rights for Jews. 

I always found it rather odd how a non native group of people demand rights from the native group.  Now if you consider Jew as a religion and not a race, then sure, that would make sense, because then anyone could become Jewish as long as they convert.

You must also consider Jew as a race of people.  So if they are a race of people, then for them to go into Italy and demand rights from the Italian people to me is odd.  That would be like for me to go into your house and then demand that you allow me to do everything that you do in your house. 

I'm not really following. Jews had been in Europe for centuries at that point, citizens of every (almost every?) European country at the start of the first world war. They weren't demanding rights, they were rights they already had. And rights that were taken away when a few realized how much they stood to gain by doing so.

[Benton]

(02-28-2016, 12:50 AM)Vlad Wrote: This video features 10 newspaper articles from 1915 to 1938 talking about 6 million Jews either dying or being persecuted in Europe.
Um...that's before WWII started. The 1935 newspaper I believe mentions the word "Holocaust".





The Holocaust supposedly occurred from 1938 to 1945. Hitler announced the Final Solution in 1942.
Do the math. Assuming you take into account all 7 years, 71,482 Jews per month would have had to been rounded up, transported and killed to come up with the 6 million figure.
An enormous undertaking.

YouTube video so ill give it some benefit of the doubt... But... Those papers aren't real. Maybe the guy got reproductions. But the ones in the video are not real. The stories could be, that would take some footwork to prove or disprove, but I have papers dating back to the early 1800s and every decade since. I've gone through dozens of newspaper archives dating back that far. Without getting too technical, the type is fake, the degradation of the paper is horribly fake and the hed structure is unlikely.