Pedophile Christian Pastors Caught in Child Sex Sting

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 11:48 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That's right. You threw a fit because the term racism reflects the sociological definition of "race", not the biological definition, and includes discrimination towards other "ethnicities". I remember.

Yep. Sure does look like I was the one "throwing a fit". Seems like I'm still hung up on it.

Ethnicities is just another word for idealology. But it sounds must worse if you call someone a racist.

[BigPapaKain]

(05-27-2016, 11:43 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Look, I know a great many religious leaders (and far too many average religious citizens) make it seem like (or outright state that) they and/or Christians in general are better/holier than the rest of society, but the fact remains that one of the very foundational tenets of Christianity is that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING IS, HAS BEEN AND WILL BE BORN A SINNER. As such, expecting to find churches full of piously devout and sinless angels is like expecting to find only healthy people in a hospital.

I didn't come for a theology lesson (besides the fact I know the ins and outs of the Bible and the Church better than most Christians) - I asked a question. One you acknowledged but didn't answer.

[Vas Deferens]

If we don't segregate christians to their own small physical area, me and a bunch of my toothless buddies are just going to have to the Congo to preserve our race of non-pedophiles. I've been looking into it.

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 11:52 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: We can end this conversation now:

You are ok with socially conservative members of the boards being bigoted because they agree with you on a lot of other issues. They're your only allies on a number of topics, so you can't call them out for being awful people.

You are not ok with socially liberal members of the boards being immature in their mocking of bigotry because you disagree with them on so many issues, so you try to get on a high horse when they twist arguments around despite the fact that ever back and forth turns into you being disingenuous and catty in your responses

If you say so. However, this particiular instance was about folks folks mocking religion, by associating two criminals with it. I will speak out against those who mock religion every time; as my personal belief is that that sacrilege is the one unpardonable sin.

If other Christians are comfortable observing such actions; that is on them and their relationship with Christ. Mine tells me to speak up in hopes that someone may see the error of their ways before it is too late.

As to always agreeing. you may want to check out Lucies' bullying thread or Matt's Trump (most recent) thread. I actually have zero idea with Board Memeber you think I am falling to "call out" in this or any other thread.

[*PhilHos*]

(05-27-2016, 11:56 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I didn't come for a theology lesson (besides the fact I know the ins and outs of the Bible and the Church better than most Christians) - I asked a question. One you acknowledged but didn't answer.

You asked no question in the post I quoted. You stated a curiosity towards a possible outcome, but asked no question. 

[GMDino]

(05-27-2016, 11:43 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Look, I know a great many religious leaders (and far too many average religious citizens) make it seem like (or outright state that) they and/or Christians in general are better/holier than the rest of society, but the fact remains that one of the very foundational tenets of Christianity is that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING IS, HAS BEEN AND WILL BE BORN A SINNER. As such, expecting to find churches full of piously devout and sinless angels is like expecting to find only healthy people in a hospital.

Full disclosure:  Raised Catholic.  Went to Catholic school from 1-12 and then to a Catholic Liberal Arts College.  I never EVER saw or heard of a priest or religious doing ANYTHING even remotely close to sexual with a child.

That said...

I know of priests who had "sons" they took care of.  We have a close family friend who was born of one of these relationships between a priest and his "maid".  

No one is perfect.  Take any slice of society and you'll find horrible people and good people.

That said...

To me this falls under "They doth protest too much".  Like when the GOP runs as the "Family Values" party and then their leaders get caught cheating on their wives.  Or when the staunchly anti-gay official is found out to be hiring gay escorts.

Don't pretend to be holier, purer, better, whatever when you are not.

I'll use myself as an example.  It is no secret that I did not have sex until I was married at the age of 26.  But I don't hold that over anyone who chose a different path because I know I wasn't "pure" either.

So back to the topic of the thread:  The church (all of them) have had problems with officials that use their positions to satisfy their carnal needs.  And they have covered up for them for so long that they NEED to be taken to task when someone is caught.  Again.  

Can that outrage go overboard?  Of course.  It's 2016.  There is always going to be a segment of society that gets outraged more than everyone else does about some issue.

But a lot of that has been brought on by the aforementioned past behavior of hiding and denying while telling others how to live their lives the "right" way.

Just my opinion.

[BmorePat87]

(05-27-2016, 11:54 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Yep. Sure does look like I was the one "throwing a fit". Seems like I'm still hung up on it.

Ethnicities is just another word for idealology. But it sounds must worse if you call someone a racist.

Looks much worse when you defend someone who is a racist.

[BmorePat87]

(05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you say so. However, this particiular instance was about folks folks mocking religion, by associating two criminals with it. I will speak out against those who mock religion every time; as my personal belief is that that sacrilege is the one unpardonable sin.

If other Christians are comfortable observing such actions; that is on them and their relationship with Christ. Mine tells me to speak up in hopes that someone may see the error of their ways before it is too late.

As to always agreeing. you may want to check out Lucies' bullying thread or Matt's Trump (most recent) thread. I actually have zero idea with Board Memeber you think I am falling to "call out" in this or any other thread.

Maybe we should find the first post in this thread that began to make light of religion...

(05-25-2016, 05:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Those guys are atheists that identify as Christians.

LULZ

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 01:26 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Maybe we should find the first post in this thread that began to make light of religion...




LULZ

There was no mocking religion in that post; it was mocking those that state identity trumps the physical.

So you found no mocking or "making light" of religion in posts 1-7?

What was that pro-bono critique you were giving me about I will defend those that share our views and strike out at those who do not?

LULZ

[GMDino]

(05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If you say so. However, this particiular instance was about folks folks mocking religion, by associating two criminals with it.

Would that just be mocking the falsely religious?

(05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will speak out against those who mock religion every time; as my personal belief is that that sacrilege is the one unpardonable sin.

Every religion?

(05-27-2016, 12:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: If other Christians are comfortable observing such actions; that is on them and their relationship with Christ. Mine tells me to speak up in hopes that someone may see the error of their ways before it is too late.

Who made you the expert on what is an error in one's ways?

[BmorePat87]

(05-27-2016, 01:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There was no mocking religion in that post; it was mocking those that state identity trumps the physical.

So you found no mocking or "making light" of religion in posts 1-7?

What was that pro-bono critique you were giving me about I will defend those that share our views and strike out at those who do not?

LULZ

Ok, so you're the second person (after Dino, I guess I missed the part of his post that wasn't the copypasta from the article. I can admit when I am wrong) to make light of religion.

Props to posters 2-7 for trying to take thread seriously. 

[GMDino]

(05-27-2016, 02:03 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Ok, so you're the second person (after Dino, I guess I missed the part of his post that wasn't the copypasta from the article. I can admit when I am wrong) to make light of religion.

Props to posters 2-7 for trying to take thread seriously. 

Hey!

You're wrong about that too.  

[BmorePat87]

(05-27-2016, 02:08 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Hey!

You're wrong about that too.  

Jeebus snakes? 

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 01:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Would that just be mocking the falsely religious? Nope that would be mocking those that suggest identiy trumps physical state


Every religion? Sure every religion; unfortunately every religion is bastardized by a minority of believers


Who made you the expert on what is an error in one's ways?

Nobody made me an expert; simply a messenger.

[GMDino]

(05-27-2016, 02:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Nobody made me an expert; simply a messenger.

(05-27-2016, 02:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure every religion; unfortunately every religion is bastardized by a minority of believers

Thanks for this.

[GMDino]

(05-27-2016, 02:10 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Jeebus snakes? 

Wasn't me!



I do enough stuff around here without getting blamed for the stuff I don't say!

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 02:21 PM)GMDino Wrote: Thanks for this.

You're welcome and no one can say for certain who (religion) is "right' and who is "wrong". It is my hope that if one truely believes in God, that he or she will have a chance to enter the kingdom of heaven.

It is more my belief they will either simply cease to exist or go to the "Paradise" side of Hades if it exists. I think the same fate awaits those that are agnostic or atheists. However, those who openly mock God and his relgion may have to spend some time elsewhere.

As to bastardizing religion: I see it all the time (at least according to my beliefs). When I see a Christian playing with a snake or an Islam killing a girl because she is trying to go to school; I consider that bastardization.

[SteelCitySouth]

(05-27-2016, 02:36 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You're welcome and no one can say for certain who (religion) is "right' and who is "wrong". It is my hope that if one truely believes in God, that he or she will have a chance to enter the kingdom of heaven.

It is more my belief they will either simply cease to exist or go to the "Paradise" side of Hades if it exists. I think the same fate awaits those that are agnostic or atheists. However, those who openly mock God and his relgion may have to spend some time elsewhere.

Which one would that be again?  

[*bfine32*]

(05-27-2016, 02:45 PM)SteelCitySouth Wrote: Which one would that be again?  

The one(s) that believes in God and I started the sentence with "my belief".

[SteelCitySouth]

(05-27-2016, 02:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The one(s) that believes in God and I started the sentence with "my belief".

Which God?