People Who Are OK With Abortion

[BFritz21]

I was thinking that this is mostly a question towards Democrats, but every argument for abortion is that it's a woman's body and she can do with it as she pleases, so would you be ok with her self-harming herself or even killing herself because it's her body?

Would you stand-by with the same attitude to watch a woman kill herself in front of you as you would to have an abortion in front of you because it's her body?

What about eating disorders? A woman wants to starve herself because she thinks she's fat. Isn't that her right to do so because it's her body?

[GMDino]

(03-23-2016, 10:07 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I was thinking that this is mostly a question towards Democrats, but every argument for abortion is that it's a woman's body and she can do with it as she pleases, so would you be ok with her self-harming herself or even killing herself because it's her body?

Would you stand-by with the same attitude to watch a woman kill herself in front of you as you would to have an abortion in front of you because it's her body?  

What about eating disorders?  A woman wants to starve herself because she thinks she's fat.  Isn't that her right to do so because it's her body?

In the cases you mentioned I would recommend counseling.  Just as I do with a woman considering an abortion.

And in all of those cases the woman, as an individual, can decide to listen to that advice or not.

As a side note:  I don't know anyone who is "OK" with abortion.  The vast majority would like nothing better than for the abortion rate to be zero.  However many of us feel if that is not realistic then it needs to be safe and legal.

[fredtoast]

Why should a person not be allowed to harm/kill herself?

You want to outlaw tattoos and body piercing?

You want to force terminally ill people to live in pain instead of dying with dignity?

People should be allowed to do whatever they want to/with their own bodies.

[Benton]

Alcohol has arguably zero positive benefits. Overeating the same. Hard drugs. Speeding. Working too much. Etc, etc. If the argument is what we do to ourselves, then you have the right to do whatever you want.

Want to watch gay porn while eating a steak, smoking a cigar, drinking a six pack of pbr and screaming at the tv? Welcome to America. Go for it.

The issue isn't what a woman does to herself, it's when does she harm someone else (the fetus). Some say as soon as sperm meets egg, others say several weeks after.

[Belsnickel]

(03-23-2016, 10:13 PM)GMDino Wrote: In the cases you mentioned I would recommend counseling.  Just as I do with a woman considering an abortion.

And in all of those cases the woman, as an individual, can decide to listen to that advice or not.

As a side note:  I don't know anyone who is "OK" with abortion.  The vast majority would like nothing better than for the abortion rate to be zero.  However many of us feel if that is not realistic then it needs to be safe and legal.

(03-23-2016, 10:50 PM)Benton Wrote: Alcohol has arguably zero positive benefits. Overeating the same. Hard drugs. Speeding. Working too much. Etc, etc. If the argument is what we do to ourselves, then you have the right to do whatever you want.

Want to watch gay porn while eating a steak, smoking a cigar, drinking a six pack of pbr and screaming at the tv? Welcome to America. Go for it.

The issue isn't what a woman does to herself, it's when does she harm someone else (the fetus). Some say as soon as sperm meets egg, others say several weeks after.

I can't really add more to this. Pretty well stated.

[*bfine32*]

To answer the question posed in the OP: No, I am not OK with anyone killing themselves and if I could stop it by infringing on one of their rights; I gladly would.

WTS, the given scenario is much different from abortion.

[*Nately120*]

In all fairness if I ever kill myself I'm going to leave a note that says "My body, my choice."

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Isn't suicide illegal because it's considered murder or the taking of a human life?
Also, if it is considered murder, why aren't those who attempt suicide prosecuted for attempted murder or are they not because they have some mental disorder?

Just wondering

[*Nately120*]

(03-23-2016, 11:43 PM)Nebuchadnezzar Wrote: Isn't suicide illegal because it's considered murder or the taking of a human life?
Also, if it is considered murder, why aren't those who attempt suicide prosecuted for attempted murder or are they not because they have some mental disorder?

Just wondering

I was always under the assumption that suicide was illegal because, whether it is successful or not, it tends to cost a lot of money in legal and/or medical intervention. I dated a chick once who admitted that she was arrested once (and only once) and it was because she had to literally be talked off a ledge.

[BFritz21]

(03-23-2016, 10:50 PM)Benton Wrote: Alcohol has arguably zero positive benefits. Overeating the same. Hard drugs. Speeding. Working too much. Etc, etc. If the argument is what we do to ourselves, then you have the right to do whatever you want.

Want to watch gay porn while eating a steak, smoking a cigar, drinking a six pack of pbr and screaming at the tv? Welcome to America. Go for it.

The issue isn't what a woman does to herself, it's when does she harm someone else (the fetus). Some say as soon as sperm meets egg, others say several weeks after.

Alcohol- relax, get your mind off things, or put you in a good state of mind.  

Overeating- it tastes good and you might feel better on a full stomach.

Hard drugs- illegal and a lot of people are against it.

Speeding- illegal and a lot of people are against it.

Overworking- make more money or it is needed to be successful.

The last statement is exactly what I'm saying because if they're ok with her harming herself in killing the fetus, why wouldn't they be ok with her harming herself in some other way?

[*Nately120*]

(03-24-2016, 12:42 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Alcohol- relax, get your mind off things, or put you in a good state of mind.  

I think there is plenty of evidence that alcohol doesn't put Americans in a "good state of mind."

[Belsnickel]

(03-24-2016, 12:50 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I think there is plenty of evidence that alcohol doesn't put Americans in a "good state of mind."

Not only that, but many people that engage in self-harm would describe it as therapeutic, just the same as those that use alcohol to unwind would describe having a few drinks.

[Vlad]

(03-23-2016, 10:50 PM)Benton Wrote: The issue isn't what a woman does to herself, it's when does she harm someone else (the fetus).

Try telling that to leftists.
The same tired old pro abortion narrative has always been 'a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body'.



My stance has always been that I'm not pro abortion, but I'm not against it either.

Two different things.

[GMDino]

(03-24-2016, 10:24 AM)Vlad Wrote: Try telling that to leftists.
The same tired old pro abortion narrative has always been 'a woman has a right to do what she wants with her body'.



My stance has always been that I'm not pro abortion, but I'm not against it either.

Two different things.

If you are not opposed or for then you are "pro-choice" with that choice being made by the woman who is pregnant.

Yet you also posted an image calling it murder.

Interesting.

[*Nately120*]

Why are people who are NOT "ok" with abortion so intent on making sure this country is overrun with unwanted welfare babies that are going to grow up to be thugs? More thugs? C'mon man.

[Rotobeast]

(03-24-2016, 12:31 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I was always under the assumption that suicide was illegal because, whether it is successful or not, it tends to cost a lot of money in legal and/or medical intervention. I dated a chick once who admitted that she was arrested once (and only once) and it was because she had to literally be talked off a ledge.

Crazy chicks are so awesome in the sack...lol

[fredtoast]

(03-24-2016, 12:42 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: The last statement is exactly what I'm saying because if they're ok with her harming herself in killing the fetus, why wouldn't they be ok with her harming herself in some other way?

Physically she does not hurt herself by killing the fetus.  In fact physically she is better off without the fetus growing inside her.

[Beaker]

(03-24-2016, 12:31 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I was always under the assumption that suicide was illegal because, whether it is successful or not, it tends to cost a lot of money in legal and/or medical intervention.  I dated a chick once who admitted that she was arrested once (and only once) and it was because she had to literally be talked off a ledge.

Was that before or after her date with you?

[fredtoast]

What it all boild down to is that it doesn't matter if any of us are "OK with" what other people do to their bodies. I don't know of anyone who thinks an abortion is a good thing. But None of us have the right to tell other people what to do with their bodies.

Even people who think abortion is a terrible thing have to realize they can not control what other people do to their own bodies.

[Vlad]

(03-24-2016, 10:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: If you are not opposed or for then you are "pro-choice" with that choice being made by the woman who is pregnant.

Yet you also posted an image calling it murder.

Interesting.

Abortion at its very core is wrong period. Other than the life of the mother at stake there is nothing that can be rationalized to make abortion "right".
Also you should have been able to deduce by my comment that the image was intended to refute the "a woman has a right to do what she wants with HER body" rhetoric, not to make it an issue of whether or not it is murder.

Someone on this thread said this, can't remember who....

 I don't know anyone who is "OK" with abortion.  

I am against it, but I believe you can't legislate against it.

Hope that helped.