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[Vlad]

[6andcounting]

(06-28-2017, 08:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I didn't see any Republicans making that claim about the bill. I get what you were trying to do, but the ACA is not a bill, it is a law.

In all seriousness, though, I hate the ACA as well, so trying to turn that around on me won't work. I wouldn't trust any public social policy that came out of the Heritage Foundation.

Idk man it was just a joke for the joke thread

[GMDino]

(06-28-2017, 10:07 PM)Vlad Wrote:

Is that why George Zimmerman is such an angry guy?

[GMDino]

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[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(06-28-2017, 04:44 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Meanwhile in reality... 

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world while spending a larger % of their GDP on unemployment benefits than the UK, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Italy, Greece, etc

[6andcounting]

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[GMDino]

(06-29-2017, 03:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Meanwhile in reality... 

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world while spending a larger % of their GDP on unemployment benefits than the UK, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Italy, Greece, etc

Meanwhile in practice:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/09/eric-bolling/does-us-have-highest-corporate-tax-rate-free-world/

Quote:The rate in practice

PolitiFact, our sister site, has looked at several variations on Bolling’s claim and ruled them Mostly True almost every time. The reason for the "mostly" qualifier is that companies aren’t actually taxed at the statutory rate.


Tax deductions -- on health insurance, pensions, and investment returns, for example -- allow corporations to reduce the pool of taxable profits. So economists often look at what they call the effective tax rate, which experts have told us is just as valid a measurement of corporate tax rates as the statutory rate.


But whereas the statutory rate is relatively straightforward and uncontroversial, different, reputable organizations have published very different estimates of the effective tax rate that corporations pay.


The most recent estimate comes from the World Bank and International Finance Commission, which put the United States’ effective rate for 2014 at 27.9 percent. That’s second-highest behind New Zealand among OECD countries and 15th-highest among the 189 countries measured.


In 2011, the Tax Foundation published a survey of 13 prior estimates of the United States’ effective tax rate from 2005 to 2011. All 13 studies pegged the U.S.’s rate as above average, but none had the U.S. rate first overall.
Another 2011 study by the Congressional Research Service put the U.S. effective rate at 27.1 percent, slightly lower than the OECD average of 27.7 percent.

I'd look into the second part but didn't see where that was listed anywhere.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(06-29-2017, 03:52 PM)GMDino Wrote: Meanwhile in practice:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/09/eric-bolling/does-us-have-highest-corporate-tax-rate-free-world/



I'd look into the second part but didn't see where that was listed anywhere.

1. Politifact is part of the Tampa Daily, which is a newspaper in a Democrat county. Awarded by MSM, which is Democrat. That is like if FOX and Brietbart (which tried to autocorrect on my phone to brief barf, lol) awarded a fact checker that came from a politically leaning group. 
2. What you just posted is based off "estimates". On a site with the word "fact" in it. Lol
3. Even your posted estimates all have them above average.
4. My phone is being a little B on linking, but if you use Bing and search 'unemployment spending by country" it should be the second result. The numbers are from 2009, so relatively old, but I was fairly confident that 7 years of Obama didn't reduce that number. Probably raised it if anything.

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To keep myself on topic in this thread:

[GMDino]

(06-29-2017, 04:32 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 1. Politifact is part of the Tampa Daily, which is a newspaper in a Democrat county. Awarded by MSM, which is Democrat. That is like if FOX and Brietbart (which tried to autocorrect on my phone to brief barf, lol) awarded a fact checker that came from a politically leaning group. 
2. What you just posted is based off "estimates". On a site with the word "fact" in it. Lol
3. Even your posted estimates all have them above average.
4. My phone is being a little B on linking, but if you use Bing and search 'unemployment spending by country" it should be the second result. The numbers are from 2009, so relatively old, but I was fairly confident that 7 years of Obama didn't reduce that number. Probably raised it if anything.

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To keep myself on topic in this thread:

They do link to their sources though.

Also...

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(06-29-2017, 04:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: They do link to their sources though.

Also...

Are their sources other D-biased groups? 

Eh, I stopped using Google as much as possible when I started to notice my search results being censored and sites not showing up in the results. Google made it impossible to search for some drivers I needed for old hardware when I did a reformat awhile back.

Bing when I am just generally searching around (and I found their news feed is (relatively) unbiased. DuckDuckGo when I know what I am looking for, since they won't sell my data to advertisers.

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[Dill]

(06-29-2017, 04:32 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 1. Politifact is part of the Tampa Daily, which is a newspaper in a Democrat county. Awarded by MSM, which is Democrat. That is like if FOX and Brietbart (which tried to autocorrect on my phone to brief barf, lol) awarded a fact checker that came from a politically leaning group. 
2. What you just posted is based off "estimates". On a site with the word "fact" in it. Lol
3. Even your posted estimates all have them above average.
4. My phone is being a little B on linking, but if you use Bing and search 'unemployment spending by country" it should be the second result. The numbers are from 2009, so relatively old, but I was fairly confident that 7 years of Obama didn't reduce that number. Probably raised it if anything.

Leonard, before checking party cards, you need to go to the data sources, like the Congressional research service and the World Bank.

Don't start from the premise the answer to data questions is always filtered through party agenda's first.  

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(06-29-2017, 08:07 PM)Dill Wrote: Leonard, before checking party cards, you need to go to the data sources, like the Congressional research service and the World Bank.

Don't start from the premise the answer to data questions is always filtered through party agenda's first.  

Or... don't use a FACT checking site that bases their argument that it is not entirely true on varying ESTIMATES.

Lol, that is not how facts work.

[GMDino]

[GMDino]

(06-29-2017, 08:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or... don't use a FACT checking site that bases their argument that it is not entirely true on varying ESTIMATES.

Lol, that is not how facts work.

The FACT is there is a range of how much companies pay in taxes.  Estimated because there are many variables.  Nonetheless the FACT that the US has the highest tax rate is offset by the FACT that most companies pay much less than that.  How much less varies...but still less.

That is a FACT.  

[Dill]

(06-29-2017, 08:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or... don't use a FACT checking site that bases their argument that it is not entirely true on varying ESTIMATES.

Lol, that is not how facts work.

Well, Leonard, there is an interesting relation between facts and estimates.

We need estimates to make and evaluate policy. Without estimates, we cannot accomplish much. We can't loan money, develop real estate, or continue virtually any domestic or foreign policy. Insurance companies cannot set rates and the military cannot decide force levels.

We make estimates based upon facts, and then we evaluate them based upon facts.

So it's not facts on one side and estimates on the other. It's how we evaluate facts AND estimates.

[GMDino]

[Vlad]

[Benton]

(06-29-2017, 03:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Meanwhile in reality... 

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world while spending a larger % of their GDP on unemployment benefits than the UK, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Italy, Greece, etc

Not to derail the joke thread any more than it is, but the US corporate rate isn't that far off from other big nations when you look at what corporations actually pay. Targeted tax breaks, loopholes and other benefits put real tax collections in the US down there with most large economies. 

Before the debate of a cheaper rate, we need a more above board way of collecting taxes. 

[GMDino]