Progressive media trying to normalize pedophilia

[*Nately120*]

(09-22-2015, 08:26 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's humorous those that are defending pedophilia.

Do we attack heterosexuality when a man rapes a woman? Pedophilia is synonymous with "rapes children" because people don't want to hear about non-offending pedophiles they just assume all of them are either monsters who have raped children, or monsters who are going to rape children. My argument here isn't that pedophilia is great, but it is that people say:

"Don't write anything about pedophiles!"

and then say

"Every pedophile you hear about is a rapist!"

[*bfine32*]

(09-22-2015, 11:26 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Do we attack heterosexuality when a man rapes a woman?

No?

[GodHatesBengals]

(09-22-2015, 11:14 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I have no record and I am in control of my urges, but it sure wouldn't be a good idea to leave me in a room alone with this woman.




That being said, no, I wouldn't call him a predator.
I'm concerned, but you cannot condemn a man for thought.
Were he to tell someone he planned on doing something, that would be a different story.
The Constitution and all that, you know.

So you honestly believe that you wouldn't be able to resist raping Sofia Vergara?



I find her extremely attractive, have had plenty of embarrassing thoughts involving her even, and I can still say pretty assuredly that if I ever met her face to face, I'd be entirely respectful... that is, if I could manage to even stop stammering long enough to speak a coherent sentence.

I'm glad you recognize that you have an impulse to rape her that you could not control, though. You should indeed avoid ever being in the same room as her.

[Rotobeast]

(09-22-2015, 11:29 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: So you honestly believe that you wouldn't be able to resist raping Sofia Vergara?



I find her extremely attractive, have had plenty of embarrassing thoughts involving her even, and I can still say pretty assuredly that if I ever met her face to face, I'd be entirely respectful... that is, if I could manage to even stop stammering long enough to speak a coherent sentence.

I'm glad you recognize that you have an impulse to rape her that you could not control, though. You should indeed avoid ever being in the same room as her.

I never said I would.
I just said it wouldn't be a good idea.
(my blood pressure would go crazy and I'd pass out)

Honestly though , it'd take me while to even say hello.
:blush:

[*Nately120*]

(09-22-2015, 11:27 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No?

So a heterosexual man who rapes a woman (to which he is attracted) is a rapist.  A pedophile who rapes a child is a rapist.

A heterosexual who says "I'm attracted to women" is a normal guy.  A pedophile who says "I'm attracted to children" is a ticking time bomb who has either raped children or is going to and should be thrown onto the fringes of society.  Again, I'm not saying I love pedophiles but it just seems like we'd rather treat them like the scum of the earth and just react when they offend.  Actually having some openness and understanding of this would make children safer, but the "think of the children" folks would rather just wait until something bad happens and then decide 100% of pedophiles you hear about are rapists so they all must be.

It's just counter-productive to human understanding.

[Rotobeast]

(09-22-2015, 11:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So a heterosexual man who rapes a woman (to which he is attracted) is a rapist.  A pedophile who rapes a child is a rapist.

A heterosexual who says "I'm attracted to women" is a normal guy.  A pedophile who says "I'm attracted to children" is a ticking time bomb who has either raped children or is going to and should be thrown onto the fringes of society.  Again, I'm not saying I love pedophiles but it just seems like we'd rather treat them like the scum of the earth and just react when they offend.  Actually having some openness and understanding of this would make children safer, but the "think of the children" folks would rather just wait until something bad happens and then decide 100% of pedophiles you hear about are rapists so they all must be.

It's just counter-productive to human understanding.

I think I get what you are saying and agree.
If we treat ALL potential pedophiles as if they were already offenders, what is left to keep them from acting on the urges ?
They would think that if they are going to be demonized, then the spoils might as well be obtained.
Very fair and logical thought process.

[*Nately120*]

(09-22-2015, 11:46 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I think I get what you are saying and agree.
If we treat ALL potential pedophiles as if they were already offenders, what is left to keep them from acting on the urges ?
They would think that if they are going to be demonized, then the spoils might as well be obtained.
Very fair and logical thought process.

Again, I'm not even caring about them so much as the principle.  It's like someone who is pro gun control saying 

"I think the media should NOT report anything about people safely using guns, owning guns without killing anyone, storing guns, or using guns for legitimate home defense because it makes people think guns are good when guns really just kill people."  In that world we only hear about guns when people use them to go on shooting sprees or commit murder.  That is going to lead people to think that people with guns are always crazy killers and then people would say

"Ok pal if YOU think guns are so safe maybe you'd like all the people who own guns to live in YOUR neighborhood!"

It's just self-serving non-thinking, and that stuff is a bit scary because the media has been used to control people's perception in that manner before.

[GodHatesBengals]

Bottom line is this: I cannot comprehend nor relate to pedophilia in any way. To me it is unconscionable. And hell, I'd be lying if I said I would love the idea of self-identified pedophiles hanging around alone with kids.

BUT... pedophiles exist. And some of them are around kids already, and you'll never know it. And *some* of those people with those attractions do not act on them, which is a good thing. I am not in favor of policing anybody's thoughts, so jailing the guy just because his imagination is rather repulsive isn't something I'm gonna go for. Furthermore, this article is NOT the "progressive media trying to normalize pedophilia", as the thread title implied. It read more like a confession from a deeply troubled individual who is attempting to accept the fact that his obsessions must be repressed. Frankly, I am glad he has taken up the battle to fight his urges. I hope he is also seeing a therapist to keep him accountable and healthy.

[*Nately120*]

(09-22-2015, 11:55 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Bottom line is this: I cannot comprehend nor relate to pedophilia in any way. To me it is unconscionable. And hell, I'd be lying if I said I would love the idea of self-identified pedophiles hanging around alone with kids.

BUT... pedophiles exist. And some of them are around kids already, and you'll never know it. And *some* of those people with those attractions do not act on them, which is a good thing. I am not in favor of policing anybody's thoughts, so jailing the guy just because his imagination is rather repulsive isn't something I'm gonna go for. Furthermore, this article is NOT the "progressive media trying to normalize pedophilia", as the thread title implied. It read more like a confession from a deeply troubled individual who is attempting to accept the fact that his obsessions must be repressed. Frankly, I am glad he has taken up the battle to fight his urges. I hope he is also seeing a therapist to keep him accountable and healthy.

Pedophilia is not unconscionable, raping children is.  This is my exact point.  The word pedophile and child-rapist are the same in this country and that is just inaccurate.  I understand erring on the side of caution, though.  It's because the victims are kids, I get it.

[*bfine32*]

(09-22-2015, 11:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So a heterosexual man who rapes a woman (to which he is attracted) is a rapist.  A pedophile who rapes a child is a rapist.

Unless you realize that the vast majority of rapes are not about attraction. 

As to the rest I've told many people on this very board that pedophilia is not a crime, usually when I compared it to same-sex attraction. Often the wise scholar would tell me unlike pedophilia, homosexuality is not a crime. 

[*Nately120*]

(09-23-2015, 12:01 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Unless you realize that the vast majority of rapes are not about attraction. 

As to the rest I've told many people on this very board that pedophilia is not a crime, usually when I compared it to same-sex attraction. Often the wise scholar would tell me unlike pedophilia, homosexuality is not a crime. 

If you aren't a person who uses "pedophile" and "child rapist" synonymously then I guess I'm not criticizing you.

[GodHatesBengals]

(09-22-2015, 11:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Pedophilia is not unconscionable, raping children is.  This is my exact point.  The word pedophile and child-rapist are the same in this country and that is just inaccurate.  I understand erring on the side of caution, though.  It's because the victims are kids, I get it.

Well, I specifically said to me  it is unconscionable, in the sense that within my own mind, even such thoughts are unimaginably unacceptable to my own conscience.  Poor choice of words perhaps, because I agree that a pedophile and a child-rapist are not the same thing. If a pedophile does not abuse any children, then he has done no crime and deserves no punishment.

[Blutarsky]

(09-23-2015, 12:15 AM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Well, I specifically said to me  it is unconscionable, in the sense that within my own mind, even such thoughts are unimaginably unacceptable to my own conscience.  Poor choice of words perhaps, because I agree that a pedophile and a child-rapist are not the same thing. If a pedophile does not abuse any children, then he has done no crime and deserves no punishment.

Pedophiles are also into internet child porn. Even if they never had sex with a child, do you feel they should be punished?

[GodHatesBengals]

(09-23-2015, 01:08 AM)Blutarsky Wrote: Pedophiles are also into internet child porn. Even if they never had sex with a child, do you feel they should be punished?

I would consider the production, distribution, purchase and/or possession of images of children being abused to be a complicit form of abuse and yes, pedophiles engaged in it should be punished.

[GMDino]

(09-23-2015, 01:08 AM)Blutarsky Wrote: Pedophiles are also into internet child porn. Even if they never had sex with a child, do you feel they should be punished?

If a man watched a porn that simulated rape with an adult woman...but never raped anyone...should they be punished?

Are they?  

[Belsnickel]

(09-23-2015, 01:08 AM)Blutarsky Wrote: Pedophiles are also into internet child porn. Even if they never had sex with a child, do you feel they should be punished?

If a pedophile is involved in, even as a consumer, child porn, them that is taking a part in the abuse of children. But again, just being a pedophile does not automatically mean they watch or otherwise are involved in child pornography.

[StLucieBengal]

Haha you all are defending pedos .

For Pete's sake have a word with yourselves .

These are sick people. It's not a matter of of they have raped a child. It's only a matter of when. Children can not defend themselves . They are easy prey for these degenerates. What happens when their child porn websites aren't enough?

Maybe they get in chat rooms and trade amateur nude photos of children. Then finally when that's not enough to get them excited they decide they need the real thing. Very easy to find a child, heck most of them molest or rape a family member.

No one with kids, especially young kids, can honestly say they are ok living around pedos. Can talk all your high and mighty positions here but no way anyone would put their kids at risk.

[Vas Deferens]

(09-24-2015, 01:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Haha you all are defending pedos .  

For Pete's sake have a word with yourselves .

These are sick people.   It's not a matter of of they have raped a child.   It's only a matter of when.   Children can not defend themselves . They are easy prey for these degenerates.   What happens when their child porn websites aren't enough?  

Maybe they get in chat rooms and trade amateur nude photos of children.    Then finally when that's not enough to get them excited they decide they need the real thing.  Very easy to find a child, heck most of them molest or rape a family member.  

No one with kids, especially young kids, can honestly say they are ok living around pedos.  Can talk all your high and mighty positions here but no way anyone would put their kids at risk.

Somewhat creeped out by your specific, descriptive illustration and step by step guide on how this 'progresses'.  

Kind of sounds like you need a lesson on when you point 1 finger at the other...

Also, you're kids are alright. gate latch and all. Just need to deal with the door of their own house.

[Belsnickel]

(09-24-2015, 01:02 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Haha you all are defending pedos .

For Pete's sake have a word with yourselves .

These are sick people. It's not a matter of of they have raped a child. It's only a matter of when. Children can not defend themselves . They are easy prey for these degenerates. What happens when their child porn websites aren't enough?

Maybe they get in chat rooms and trade amateur nude photos of children. Then finally when that's not enough to get them excited they decide they need the real thing. Very easy to find a child, heck most of them molest or rape a family member.

No one with kids, especially young kids, can honestly say they are ok living around pedos. Can talk all your high and mighty positions here but no way anyone would put their kids at risk.

Thoughts cannot, and should not, be policed. The moment they act, then there is a problem. But unless they do then I have no issue with them. You may think that humans have a hard time controlling themselves but there are plenty of people that don't just act on their urges. It's interesting because the same line of thinking you are expressing is the same process that leads people to say "boys will be boys" or to victim blame in the case of a woman being rape or sexually assaulted.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-24-2015, 07:39 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Thoughts cannot, and should not, be policed. The moment they act, then there is a problem. But unless they do then I have no issue with them. You may think that humans have a hard time controlling themselves but there are plenty of people that don't just act on their urges. It's interesting because the same line of thinking you are expressing is the same process that leads people to say "boys will be boys" or to victim blame in the case of a woman being rape or sexually assaulted.

I understand the point your trying to make . But the difference between adult rape and child rape. Is that an adult has the ability to defend themselves. Children do not, it's shooting fish in a barrel for these perverts. At least an adult has the ability to see if there is trouble coming and can physically defend themselves.

Your comparisons are apples to oranges imo