SCOTUS orders thrice-divorced KY county clerk to issue marriage license

[Belsnickel]

(09-30-2015, 01:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To a Christian?

To Catholicism.

I don't know much about her branch of Christianity, but the Protestant faith I grew up in call sit a conversion to switch denominations with differences that wide.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-30-2015, 11:55 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Uh Oh...the Pope supports her.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html

I think it is funny she is getting an award for her views on marriage.  They need to change the name of Inside the Vatican because it sounds like a bad porno.

[fredtoast]

(09-30-2015, 12:59 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: He made comments about conscientious objectors. He does support her.

Watch her convert now.

If she was a conscientious objector she would leave her job.  This is not like a person drafted into the military.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-30-2015, 01:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If she was a conscientious objector she would leave her job.  This is not like a person drafted into the military.

So she is basically receiving welfare from the government by refusing to do her job while social conservatives opposed to welfare support her laziness.

[Belsnickel]

(09-30-2015, 01:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If she was a conscientious objector she would leave her job.  This is not like a person drafted into the military.

I agree with you. I didn't get into my opinions on the Pope's stance, but my feelings are the same. Claiming the status of a conscientious objector does not work when the position is one you voluntarily put yourself in.

[*michaelsean*]

Well one thing we know, she's not going away now. At least the licenses are going through, so we are just down to her opinion, and who cares about that?

[Johnny Cupcakes]

Why is this lady still a thing? Remove her from her job and find someone that is capable of working the position. I know she'll cry martyr and end up getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in gofundme money, but at least someone competent will take her position.

[Vas Deferens]

(09-30-2015, 03:16 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Why is this lady still a thing?  Remove her from her job and find someone that is capable of working the position.  I know she'll cry martyr and end up getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in gofundme money, but at least someone competent will take her position.

Go Fund Me decided they won't allow a campaign for her...  LINK

[Belsnickel]

(09-30-2015, 05:15 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Go Fund Me decided they won't allow a campaign for her...  LINK

Reading that made me cringe a little. They need an editorial staff.

[BmorePat87]

(09-30-2015, 01:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, people (on both sides) tend to ignore the fact that what he is saying isn't new, he's just doing a bit of repackaging. He's not liberal, he's not a revolutionary, but he's focusing on what liberals like most about the Church.

Yea, this new pope isn't anything crazy or new. He's saying a lot of stuff John Paul was talking about a while ago. Saying that we should be nice to gay people doesn't change that the church does not accept it and that he believes it is hurting the concept of family.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

I told you guys, the current pope is just a slick PR savvy con man who's smart enough to know the church's stands on social issues was making them increasingly irrelevant. He's still just as big a POS theocrat as any of his corrupt predecessors. The fact that he held his little pow wow with Jabba the Clerk in secret is further evidence of his deceitful intent. As Christopher Hitchens would say, it's a shame there's not a hell for him to go to.

[*bfine32*]

(09-30-2015, 11:48 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I told you guys, the current pope is just a slick PR savvy con man who's smart enough to know the church's stands on social issues was making them increasingly irrelevant.  He's still just as big a POS theocrat as any of his corrupt predecessors.  The fact that he held his little pow wow with Jabba the Clerk in secret is further evidence of his deceitful intent.  As Christopher Hitchens would say, it's a shame there's not a hell for him to go to.

So you would have been happier if he would have held his meeting with Davis in the pubic eye?

I will say your disdain is telling and quite closed-mined.  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-01-2015, 12:16 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So you would have been happier if he would have held his meeting with Davis in the pubic eye?

I will say your disdain is telling and quite closed-mined.  

Happy has nothing to do with it, it would have been honest.  As for my disdain, I've never concealed my disdain for organized religion or those who profit from it.  Close minded perhaps, but certainly more honest than preaching, "do unto others as you would have done to you", in the public eye and then meeting with Davis, and praising her, on the sly.

[*bfine32*]

(10-01-2015, 12:25 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Happy has nothing to do with it, it would have been honest.  As for my disdain, I've never concealed my disdain for organized religion or those who profit from it.  Close minded perhaps, but certainly more honest than preaching, "do unto others as you would have done to you", in the public eye and then meeting with Davis, and praising her, on the sly.

His office stated they set up the meeting, it was done by no one else.

I don't see the "on the sly" assertion; unless you are suggesting there was something nefarious about him not wanting to divide folks during his visit. What would the SSFs of the would exclaimed if he had met publicly with this woman during his visit?  I doubt honest would be among the descriptives. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(10-01-2015, 12:35 AM)bfine32 Wrote: His office stated they set up the meeting, it was done by no one else.

Incorrect.  The meeting wasn't known until Davis opened her yap about it.  The pope's handlers then admitted it took place.  With the usual caveats of course.

Quote:I don't see the "on the sly" assertion; unless you are suggesting there was something nefarious about him not wanting to divide folks during his visit. What would the SSFs of the would exclaimed if he had met publicly with this woman during his visit?  I doubt honest would be among the descriptives. 

You doubt wrong.  At the very least it would have been honest.  Divide people how, with your honest beliefs?  So you're essentially saying the pope is a moral coward, consensus!  The pope, who btw has no religious affiliation with any protestant, like Davis, is trying to talk out both sides of his mouth.  A not uncommon occurrence for a religious leader I might add.  If you're going to do something at least have the balls to own it.  Don't wait until someone else spills the beans to acknowledge that it happened.  In any event it puts the extreme lie to the current con man's exclamation to, "do unto others as you'd have them do to you."  Unless discriminating and lying are how you'd like to be treated, if so then have at it.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-30-2015, 11:48 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I told you guys, the current pope is just a slick PR savvy con man who's smart enough to know the church's stands on social issues was making them increasingly irrelevant.  He's still just as big a POS theocrat as any of his corrupt predecessors.  The fact that he held his little pow wow with Jabba the Clerk in secret is further evidence of his deceitful intent.  As Christopher Hitchens would say, it's a shame there's not a hell for him to go to.

He's really not conning anyone. People are just hearing what they want to hear.  Like they heard snippets of him talking about abortion and forgiveness.  You are automatically excommunicate if you get an abortion, and all he said is that in this year of forgiveness a priest can lift that excommunication rather than having to go to a bishop.  
  

[GMDino]

(10-01-2015, 09:38 AM)michaelsean Wrote: He's really not conning anyone. People are just hearing what they want to hear.  Like they heard snippets of him talking about abortion and forgiveness.  You are automatically excommunicate if you get an abortion, and all he said is that in this year of forgiveness a priest can lift that excommunication rather than having to go to a bishop.  
  

As a (recovering) Catholic I could not agree more.

SSF wants to call it "slick PR" I want to believe he really does feel loving each other and taking care of each other is the right thing to do.  either way this is what I wrote this morning on Facebook:

Quote:Folks who are upset that the Pope agreed to meet with that lady who doesn't want to issue the marriage licenses:


He's still the Pope. The head of the Catholic Church.

Just because he says to be nice to the least of us and to stop putting money over people or that we need to be good stewards of the Earth and do something about pollution and climate change doesn't mean he's going to say SSM is okie dokie or advertise for Vatican Brand condoms and IUD's.

This is an institution that took centuries to apologize for arguing science and decades to apologize for action during WWII.

He's a good man. He cares deeply about us as humans and as individuals. Part of that caring includes his belief that he needs to care for your soul too.

And THAT means you need to do as his church teaches.

You have to accept that that is part of the message (a big part) and also accept that he is talking more about the greed and selfishness that is destroying our world also.

I can't think of anyone I agree with 100% of the time.  But if someone wants to push a message of loving each other and being good people I'll take that without criticizing them for the difference we may have.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-01-2015, 09:48 AM)GMDino Wrote: As a (recovering) Catholic I could not agree more.

SSF wants to call it "slick PR" I want to believe he really does feel loving each other and taking care of each other is the right thing to do.  either way this is what I wrote this morning on Facebook:




I can't think of anyone I agree with 100% of the time.  But if someone wants to push a message of loving each other and being good people I'll take that without criticizing them for the difference we may have.

I have no doubt that the guy is extremely compassionate.  For quite a while, it's been the stance of the Church that gay people should receive the utmost compassion as they have  been placed in a very difficult position.  This Pope is trying to emphasize things like that.  I'm not much of a Catholic anymore if at all, but if you read why homosexuality is a sin, you will better understand that they didn't just say, "Gay people are gross.  Let's make that a sin."  It's the same reason birth control and pre-marital sex are sins.  

[GMDino]

(10-01-2015, 10:02 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I have no doubt that the guy is extremely compassionate.  For quite a while, it's been the stance of the Church that gay people should receive the utmost compassion as they have  been placed in a very difficult position.  This Pope is trying to emphasize things like that.  I'm not much of a Catholic anymore if at all, but if you read why homosexuality is a sin, you will better understand that they didn't just say, "Gay people are gross.  Let's make that a sin."  It's the same reason birth control and pre-marital sex are sins.  

Oh the church hated ANYTHING that didn't lead to their being more Catholics born!  

[StLucieBengal]

(09-30-2015, 03:16 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: Why is this lady still a thing?  Remove her from her job and find someone that is capable of working the position.  I know she'll cry martyr and end up getting hundreds of thousands of dollars in gofundme money, but at least someone competent will take her position.

Because she has far more supporters in Kentucky than detractors. And they would never be able to impeach her.