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(03-24-2023, 01:58 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I often think of which sides people's ancestors probably fought on when I see a confederate flag here in rural PA. Our culture has an inability to stop obsessing over the civil war on both sides of the coin.
I'm a TRUE American, as my father's family fought with the Union (one is buried at Fredericksburg).
My mother's fought for the South, and owned slaves, two of whom followed them to Texas after the war.
Family on my mother's side still call me a "Yankee," which is right, because I was raised in the North
and would fight on the Union side should they try succession again.
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(03-24-2023, 04:35 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm a TRUE American, as my father's family fought with the Union (one is buried at Fredericksburg).
My mother's fought for the South, and owned slaves, two of whom followed them to Texas after the war.
Family on my mother's side still call me a "Yankee," which is right, because I was raised in the North
and would fight on the Union side should they try succession again.
That's actually a pretty neat tidbit of family history.
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(03-24-2023, 04:34 PM)basballguy Wrote: look, there's a difference from it being an issue the party cares about and it being the center of a platform/agenda.
There is not a single politician in this world that is centering their campaign around this issue.
I"m not disputing they're pushing this issue...but when y'all continue to say it's the center of their campaigns then it's a straight lie.
We may define "lie" differently. But before going there I'd want to know what you mean by "centering" a campaign.
I don't know if there is any politician who makes bathrooms the SOLE issue of a campaign. Most are expected to
address a range of issues. On the right that would include a stance on gun control, weaponization of gov. and abortion too.
But in addition to rhetoric and campaign speeches, what they "say," there is also what they "do"--where they devote money, time and energy.
And a lot seem to be proposing and voting on bathroom bills. Far more than Dems proposing "reparation." Perhaps that is an aspect of the war on wokeness you referenced above?
Anyway, it's understandable that someone viewing our politics from the sunny Mediterranean might see that as a "center" of GOP
politics at the moment.
Perhaps we could agree that bathroom laws are a prominent aspect of GOP politics at the moment, to be folded in with other culture
war projects like ridding schools of CRT, which has also taken up much of their legislative oxygen? Maybe less important than
banning abortion, but more important than concealed carry without permits?
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(03-24-2023, 04:43 PM)basballguy Wrote: That's actually a pretty neat tidbit of family history.
That history continued into the 20th cen., as I was born in Texas,
but my parents moved North two weeks later because they disagreed
with the Southern Baptists' support of segregation. (My father wanted to be a minister.)
Still a close family, though, so the North South divide was built into
family relations from that moment on.
Given the constant mixing of Americans, I am wondering what happens if someone has
both slaves and slave owners as ancestors--how might that complicate a
reparations claim, were they to be paid out individually?
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(03-24-2023, 04:48 PM)StoneTheCrow Wrote: I identify as an African-American citizen of San Francisco. Don’t mind me, just wanted to put that in writing.
I hope you like white women calling the cops on you.
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(03-24-2023, 05:06 PM)Dill Wrote: We may define "lie" differently. But before going there I'd want to know what you mean by "centering" a campaign.
I don't know if there is any politician who makes bathrooms the SOLE issue of a campaign. Most are expected to
address a range of issues. On the right that would include a stance on gun control, weaponization of gov. and abortion too.
But in addition to rhetoric and campaign speeches, what they "say," there is also what they "do"--where they devote money, time and energy.
And a lot seem to be proposing and voting on bathroom bills. Far more than Dems proposing "reparation." Perhaps that is an aspect of the war on wokeness you referenced above?
Anyway, it's understandable that someone viewing our politics from the sunny Mediterranean might see that as a "center" of GOP
politics at the moment.
Perhaps we could agree that bathroom laws are a prominent aspect of GOP politics at the moment, to be folded in with other culture
war projects like ridding schools of CRT, which has also taken up much of their legislative oxygen? Maybe less important than
banning abortion, but more important than concealed carry without permits?
I'm not sure i agree there either. The only time I ever hear about transgender bathroom stuff is when it gets posted here. I don't read about it on CNN or Fox....I don't see it talked about on TV, I don't see the politicians I follow ever mention it.
Now I do see (more frequently these days) issues about transgender impacts with children (the dumb stuff like school performances/shows)...but again, nothing about bathrooms.
In my opinion, it's a relatively minor item for the GOP platform as a whole. Not the center...not a main part....like if you were to take a politicians time and divide up their campaign by the issues they support, I bet it's something like 1% of their time (or less) is spent caring about transgender bathrooms.
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(03-24-2023, 05:13 PM)Dill Wrote: That history continued into the 20th cen., as I was born in Texas,
but my parents moved North two weeks later because they disagreed
with the Southern Baptists' support of segregation. (My father wanted to be a minister.)
Still a close family, though, so the North South divide was built into
family relations from that moment on.
Given the constant mixing of Americans, I am wondering what happens if someone has
both slaves and slave owners as ancestors--how might that complicate a
reparations claim, were they to be paid out individually?
Hot damn...a native Texan.....I now like you more. :)
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(03-24-2023, 05:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hope you like white women calling the cops on you.
Joke’s on them, won’t get prosecuted.
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(03-24-2023, 05:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hope you like white women calling the cops on you.
The pron industry suggests that the said white women would have other ideas for him..
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(03-24-2023, 05:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The pron industry suggests that the said white women would have other ideas for him..
I tried to get into pron, but my genitals are too shrimpy.
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(03-24-2023, 01:52 PM)Millhouse Wrote: One of my issues with a plan like this, is why for people today? What about those not yet born? You know, lets say 50 years from now, why shouldn't they get reparations at that time, sort of thing?
Regardless, I will be always against this line of thinking. I didn't have ancestors that had slaves. And many of whom were very poor themselves being looked down upon from others. As a matter of fact, I had 3 ancesters that fought in the Union armies during the Civil War, not that really matters. Because even if I did have ancestors that owned slaves or fought for the South, I should never be in no way responsible for something no matter how horrendous it was over 158 years ago.
Because afterall if we as a people start going down that route on making current generations literally pay for past atrocities like slavery in the New World, the biggest finger should be pointed at those European countries that brought the slaves over here in the first place.
I don't think reparations is about assigning individual responsibility to people living today--like MY wages should be garnished because I actually do have ancestors who owned slaves, but not your wages. (Plus I have at least one ancestor who died to free them. That should count too!)
I'm not against reparations in principle (righting past wrongs). I am happy with reparations to Japanese Americans wrongly interned in WWII, and with German reparations to Jews after that war, and would support Israeli reparations to Palestinians.
I just think in this case, handing individuals 5 million bucks and a new house will leave intact the structural inequality which has continued since 1865.
Should the above-mentioned reparations go through, I see much of that money being re-cycled back to "the Man" over the next 20 years, and no permanent change of the sort created by education, vocational training, and affordable housing with the end of red lining and other forms of housing segregation.
I would like to know more about where, or with whom, this specific program of reparations originated as it seems inconsistent with theories of race-driven structural inequality I am familiar with.
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(03-24-2023, 05:24 PM)basballguy Wrote: Hot damn...a native Texan.....I now like you more. :)
Only a citizen for two weeks though!
But I did go back every summer for years, working for my uncles
on the family homestead.
Love the state, for sure!
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(03-24-2023, 05:44 PM)Dill Wrote: Only a citizen for two weeks though!
But I did go back every summer for years, working for my uncles
on the family homestead.
Love the state, for sure!
Did you happen to hear the phrase "Well bless his heart, anyway" very often during those Summer visits?
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(03-24-2023, 07:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Did you happen to hear the phrase "Well bless his heart, anyway" very often during those Summer visits?
Texans don't weaponize that phrase as well as Southerners east of the Mississippi. There is just something different about them.
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(03-24-2023, 04:35 PM)Dill Wrote: I'm a TRUE American, as my father's family fought with the Union (one is buried at Fredericksburg).
My mother's fought for the South, and owned slaves, two of whom followed them to Texas after the war.
Family on my mother's side still call me a "Yankee," which is right, because I was raised in the North
and would fight on the Union side should they try succession again.
I only know of one Civil War casualty in my family, and none of them fought in the conflict. The one casualty I know of was a traveling preacher who was shot by Confederates out of suspicion of him being a spy because he would preach a circuit that went into current day West Virginia as well as Pennsylvania.
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What's the threshold to qualify? Because I have like 2% from Melungeon ancestry and I can move to San Francisco if that's enough. 
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