Schumer: Trump and GOP agree to protect DACA w/o funding the Wall

[BmorePat87]

http://cnn.it/2x1dQs1


Basically the Democrats got everything they wanted?

[StLucieBengal]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/13/report-trump-caves-on-daca-wants-quick-amnesty-for-800k-illegal-aliens/

If he does this will be one of the most disgusting things to happen to this country since the democrats were putting jap Americans into concentration camps.

The country will be ruined by allowing these illegals to have amnesty. Anyone who followed the laws to immigrate here should be refunded for all the time and money spent folllowing the laws.

Just disgusting.

Quote:Report: Trump Caves on DACA, Wants ‘Quick’ Amnesty for 800K Illegal Aliens

John Binder13 Sep 2017
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In a meeting with establishment politicians from the Problem Solvers Caucus and the Blue Dog Coalition, President Trump signaled a full-fledged cave on the issue of giving amnesty to nearly 800,000 illegal aliens currently protected by an Obama-created executive immigration program.

Since Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced the ultimate end to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, under which hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens were given work permits and temporary protected status, Trump has remained unclear on whether he would stick to his anti-amnesty campaign promises or cave to the political establishment.

At his White House meeting with moderates, according to The Hill, Trump is set to choose a legislative deal that quickly legalizes the nearly 800,000 illegal aliens on DACA, without getting any pro-American immigration reforms in return:

Indeed, said Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), the president is already getting impatient.

“He says, ‘Oh, DACA, we want to move on this quick, we don’t want to wait six months,’” Cuellar said after the meeting. “He said, ‘It’s already been six days and nothing’s happened.’”

Cuellar said Trump didn’t propose a timeline, but voiced concerns that waiting until the March 5 deadline grows closer would only put a spotlight on the issue and make it more difficult for Congress to act. The president, Cuellar said, wants to move “when people are not expecting it.”

…

“He said, ‘We don’t have to tie a wall to this. We can put a wall [in another bill],’” Cuellar said, emphasizing that other border enforcement measures would likely be included.

Although Trump is looking at pushing through a clean amnesty bill for DACA recipients, he did mention during the meeting, according to Cuellar, the possibility of passing Sen. Tom Cotton’s (R-AR) pro-American worker “RAISE Act,” which cuts legal immigration in half, in exchange for amnesty.

Trump’s cave to DACA amnesty comes just a day after the White House Legislative Affairs Director Marc Short said the administration would look at exchanging amnesty for tax cuts. Short, as Breitbart News reported, is a former executive with the pro-mass immigration billionaires, the Koch brothers.

Additionally, Short led an effort in 2016 inside the Koch organization to derail Trump, opposing him for his “America First” agenda. Although Short’s anti-Trump operation never came to fruition, he went on to join Sen. Marco Rubio’s (R-FL) unsuccessful presidential campaign.

House Speaker Paul Ryan most recently would not rule out a plan to give amnesty to the 800,000 DACA recipients, as Breitbart News reported.

Immigration patriots, who want to see an end to illegal immigration and major cuts to legal immigration to relieve American workers, recently told Breitbart News that any immigration deal on DACA that includes amnesty would be an “outrageous selling out of the [Trump] base.”

NumbersUSA President Roy Beck blasted Short’s comments regarding a deal in which amnesty is given to DACA recipients in exchange for tax cuts or mere border wall funding.

“Short’s compassion seems entirely for foreign citizens here illegally with not a nod for struggling American workers,” Beck said.

Should DACA recipients receive amnesty, Center for Immigration Studies Director Mark Krikorian has warned that it will have two impacts on American communities: A surge in illegal immigration along the U.S.-Mexico border and a surge in legal immigration, as newly-amnestied DACA recipients would be able to bring their relatives to the U.S., potentially peaking at two to four million.

DACA recipients currently hold upwards of 700,000 U.S. jobs. An ultimate end to the program – with DACA recipients not getting amnesty –would result in a 700,000 job stimulus for American workers. This would amount to nearly 30,000 new U.S. job openings for American workers every month once the program is officially phased out.

Although screening for DACA was previously touted as being sufficient in keeping criminals out, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) revealed that more than 2,100 recipients had their status revoked for being criminals or gang members.

John Binder is a reporter for Breitbart News. Follow him on Twitter at @JxhnBinder.

[StLucieBengal]

Disgusting.

[Shake n Blake]

Well it seems democrats admit border security is a major issue and want to beef up security in a major way. Does this make them racist?

[StLucieBengal]

Outside of seeing an immigration point system..... this is just disappointing.

I could care less about the wall.

[Bengalzona]

Doesn't surprise me. Crushing DACA has been pretty unpopular with most Americans. If something is unpopular enough, politicians will move on it... regardless of party politics.

[StLucieBengal]

(09-14-2017, 01:19 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: Doesn't surprise me. Crushing DACA has been pretty unpopular with most Americans. If something is unpopular enough, politicians will move on it... regardless of party politics.

What about those who followed the laws and paid the fees and waited the wait. It's a slap in the face to those people that these people get in when they have had as long as 18 years to ge themselves right with the law. I am all for sympathy for the under 18 crowd. But 18-36 need to be gone with the ability to apply from their native country.

[hollodero]

(09-14-2017, 12:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/13/report-trump-caves-on-daca-wants-quick-amnesty-for-800k-illegal-aliens/

If he does this will be one of the most disgusting things to happen to this country since the democrats were putting jap Americans into concentration camps.  

yeah, right there on top of disgusting things. It goes concentration camps, DACA amnesty, installing Pinochet and lieing to the world about Iraqi weapons... in that order.

Funny though, that after all the betrayals, lies and empty promises Trump is guilty of this ends up to be the major sin his base doesn't forgive. Talking to Democrats and doing the popular thing, letting some assimilated immigrants stay. Eeeek. 


Oh, also

(09-14-2017, 12:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The country will be ruined by allowing these illegals to have amnesty

Ruined? Really?

[GMDino]

(09-14-2017, 04:42 AM)hollodero Wrote: yeah, right there on top of disgusting things. It goes concentration camps, DACA amnesty, installing Pinochet and lieing to the world about Iraqi weapons... in that order.

Funny though, that after all the betrayals, lies and empty promises Trump is guilty of this ends up to be the major sin his base doesn't forgive. Talking to Democrats and doing the popular thing, letting some assimilated immigrants stay. Eeeek. 


Oh, also


Ruined? Really?

American political party bases are "all or nothing" now.  Working with the "other side" is "caving".  Finding solutions is "not sticking to your beliefs".

It's sad.

[GMDino]

(09-14-2017, 12:25 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: http://cnn.it/2x1dQs1


Basically the Democrats got everything they wanted?

Not sure how true this is.  Sanders has said the "no go" on the wall is not part of any deal.

But the beauty of it is that DACA will be seen as what it was intended to be: A step toward keeping the "good" immigrants who, many through no fault of their own, were brought here and and then made the best of it on their own.  Who willingly exposed themselves to xenophobes who cannot see past the country of origin and skin color just in the hopes of one day becoming a legal citizen in the only home they have ever known in a lot of cases.

And there will be shown that those who oppose such a deal do it purely from a personal reaction with no understanding for the reasoning behind it.

(09-14-2017, 12:28 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Disgusting.

(09-14-2017, 01:05 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Outside of seeing an immigration point system..... this is just disappointing.  

I could care less about the wall.

(09-14-2017, 02:29 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: What about those who followed the laws and paid the fees and waited the wait.   It's a slap in the face to those people that these people get in when they have had as long as 18 years to ge themselves right with the law.   I am all for sympathy for the under 18 crowd.   But 18-36 need  to be gone with the ability to apply from their native country.

But, in what is becoming increasingly rare in the US, doing the right thing may have trumped playing to the base.

(09-14-2017, 01:19 AM)Bengalzona Wrote: Doesn't surprise me. Crushing DACA has been pretty unpopular with most Americans. If something is unpopular enough, politicians will move on it... regardless of party politics.

Exactly.

[BmorePat87]

(09-14-2017, 07:15 AM)GMDino Wrote: Not sure how true this is.  Sanders has said the "no go" on the wall is not part of any deal.

But the beauty of it is that DACA will be seen as what it was intended to be: A step toward keeping the "good" immigrants who, many through no fault of their own, were brought here and and then made the best of it on their own.  Who willingly exposed themselves to xenophobes who cannot see past the country of origin and skin color just in the hopes of one day becoming a legal citizen in the only home they have ever known in a lot of cases.

And there will be shown that those who oppose such a deal do it purely from a personal reaction with no understanding for the reasoning behind it.




But, in what is becoming increasingly rare in the US, doing the right thing may have trumped playing to the base.


Exactly.

But apparently the bill for DACA won't have any commitments to a wall. So while the Wall isn't off the table, Trump gave the Democrats what they wanted without them giving up an inch on the wall.

[BmorePat87]

(09-14-2017, 12:48 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Well it seems democrats admit border security is a major issue and want to beef up security in a major way. Does this make them racist?

As long as they don't call them all rapists, I don't think so 

[GMDino]

(09-14-2017, 07:36 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: But apparently the bill for DACA won't have any commitments to a wall. So while the Wall isn't off the table, Trump gave the Democrats what they wanted without them giving up an inch on the wall.

He's also hedging on what he means about "building the wall".

The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

Note: They're repairing fences. Just like every admin for decades.

Oh, and Mexico isn't paying for that either.


And just now he's telling his base this:

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

"Art of the Deal" indeed....

[BmorePat87]

(09-14-2017, 07:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: "Art of the Deal" indeed....

lol, the Nazis are going to be upset about this one. 

[BmorePat87]

Mods, this can probably be merged into the other thread started about this.

[*michaelsean*]

(09-14-2017, 07:40 AM)GMDino Wrote: He's also hedging on what he means about "building the wall".

The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

Note:  They're repairing fences.  Just like every admin for decades.  

Oh, and Mexico isn't paying for that either.


And just now he's telling his base this:

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

"Art of the Deal" indeed....

Your praise seems a little bland.  

[BmorePat87]

(09-14-2017, 12:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/09/13/report-trump-caves-on-daca-wants-quick-amnesty-for-800k-illegal-aliens/

If he does this will be one of the most disgusting things to happen to this country since the democrats were putting jap Americans into concentration camps.  

The country will be ruined by allowing these illegals to have amnesty.   Anyone who followed the laws to immigrate here should be refunded for all the time and money spent folllowing the laws.    

Just disgusting.    

Yea, giving people who have lived in this country nearly their whole lives the ability to get visas is as bad as putting citizens into internment camps because of their ethnicity. 

And throw in a racial slur for good measure...

[StLucieBengal]

(09-14-2017, 08:45 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yea, giving people who have lived in this country nearly their whole lives the ability to get visas is as bad as putting citizens into internment camps because of their ethnicity. 

And throw in a racial slur for good measure...

People who have openly thwarted the law for up to 18 years. The people who have actually needed to wait to get visas then endless paperwork and time to get green cards are the ones being screwed. I'm sure they would have preferred to sneak across the border like a thief in the night. If you don't force people to respect your laws then what's the point.

[GMDino]

(09-14-2017, 09:57 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: People who have openly thwarted the law for up to 18 years.   The people who have actually needed to wait to get visas then endless paperwork and time to get green cards are the ones being screwed.    I'm sure they would have preferred to sneak across the border like a thief in the night.   If you don't force people to respect your laws then what's the point.

Serious question.  Do you have any idea the protocol to be included in DACA?

[StLucieBengal]

(09-14-2017, 10:02 AM)GMDino Wrote: Serious question.  Do you have any idea the protocol to be included in DACA?

Do you have any idea the protocol to obtain a visa then a green card?

I love how you act like DACA is some great thing. Yes the under 18 children are a concern. But these over 18's have had plenty of them to get themselves right with the law. They obviously don't care about the laws. They only did daca because obama promised then they wouldn't be deported.