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(09-03-2021, 02:38 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: You guys realize that a woman does have a choice right? She can choose to not have sex if she does not wish to become pregnant.
Rape? Incest? What about if the life of the Mother is at stake during childbirth? What if the baby has such a terrible defect it'll only live for 2-3 days in excruciating pain with no cure available to sustain its life?
Deceitful, two-faced she-woman. Never trust a female, Delmar, remember that one simple precept and your time with me will not have been ill spent.
(09-03-2021, 04:33 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Rape? Incest? What about if the life of the Mother is at stake during childbirth? What if the baby has such a terrible defect it'll only live for 2-3 days in excruciating pain with no cure available to sustain its life?
(09-03-2021, 04:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Letting men walk away from their responsibilities just pushes the burden on to others who didn't get to do the dance that summons the stork. If some dude starts telling me he should be able to abandon his kids because of "equal rights" I'm just going to assume he's a cheap ass deadbeat who just wants someone else to foot the bill.
It's always about money, innit?
I agree, but should they not have an equal say in the decision then? I agree that both parties are equally responsible and should be held equally accountable. But if both parties do not have an equal say then you've created inequality. Is not the goal equal treatment for both sexes, not better treatment for one because of circumstances? I feel the need to point out I'm playing devil's advocate more than a bit here, but I do feel these are interesting questions that deserve answers.
(09-03-2021, 04:37 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree, but should they not have an equal say in the decision then? I agree that both parties are equally responsible and should be held equally accountable. But if both parties do not have an equal say then you've created inequality. Is not the goal equal treatment for both sexes, not better treatment for one because of circumstances? I feel the need to point out I'm playing devil's advocate more than a bit here, but I do feel these are interesting questions that deserve answers.
I always appreciate some devil's advocacy, but as others (usually Fred, I think) point out...until men can gestate a fetus and/or pay to keep it in an artificial womb pregnancy can never truly be equal.
Science figures stuff out, maybe soon we can have this sort of thing. She doesn't want the fetus so it's all yours, pal.
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(09-03-2021, 04:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I always appreciate some devil's advocacy, but as others (usually Fred, I think) point out...until men can gestate a fetus and/or pay to keep it in an artificial womb pregnancy can never truly be equal.
Science figures stuff out, maybe soon we can have this sort of thing. She doesn't want the fetus so it's all yours, pal.
Then we all need to admit that equality is not always our goal and that circumstances sometimes preclude such equality.
(09-03-2021, 04:42 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Then we all need to admit that equality is not always our goal and that circumstances sometimes preclude such equality.
Well, I can't stand kids so to me being able to simply throw money at the problem rather than actually carry, birth, and raise a kid still seems like the man gets the sweeter deal.
(09-03-2021, 04:33 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Rape? Incest? What about if the life of the Mother is at stake during childbirth? What if the baby has such a terrible defect it'll only live for 2-3 days in excruciating pain with no cure available to sustain its life?
This.
And people can also file suit if someone had a miscarriage but they don't believe that.
Or if a hospital performs a procedure to remove left over materials after a miscarriage.
Sick people.
And I'm not even arguing the "settled law" part because then we'll have to discuss if we can change gun laws and there will tons of boring hypocrisy in this thread. Well, more than there is now from people just making up any random set of circumstances to defend their disregard for women's rights.
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(09-03-2021, 05:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: And I'm not even arguing the "settled law" part because then we'll have to discuss if we can change gun laws and there will tons of boring hypocrisy in this thread. Well, more than there is now from people just making up any random set of circumstances to defend their disregard for women's rights.
No one is defending this law. You're making things up to feel offended. Also, your gun comment is just silly, but please feel free to try and make the argument.
(09-03-2021, 06:03 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No one is defending this law. You're making things up to feel offended. Also, your gun comment is just silly, but please feel free to try and make the argument.
Go ahead a reread what you quoted and explain where I said a) I was "offended" b) anyone was "defending the law" .
But at least I was right about the boring hypocrisy showing up!
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(09-03-2021, 06:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: Go ahead a reread what you quoted and explain where I said a) I was "offended" b) anyone was "defending the law" .
But at least I was right about the boring hypocrisy showing up!
(09-03-2021, 06:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You're not right about anything, as usual. Seriously, you're now making up things to be offended by. Boring.
You want to attack me but have nothing so you make stuff up about what I said and when I quote you you just start on my personally again.
If you can't answer the question (because ti would show you made it up) then just move along.
Maybe try and make fun of my looks again...that might help you sleep better?
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(09-03-2021, 04:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I always appreciate some devil's advocacy, but as others (usually Fred, I think) point out...until men can gestate a fetus and/or pay to keep it in an artificial womb pregnancy can never truly be equal.
Science figures stuff out, maybe soon we can have this sort of thing. She doesn't want the fetus so it's all yours, pal.
I, personally, am looking forward to the creation of the technology that will allow a fetus (or embryo or whatever) to be extracted from a woman's womb and be grown, in full, in an artificial womb.
That will pretty much eliminate the abortion debate because it will make it so that women who do not want to have children can still not have the child but it will also allow the people who think abortion = murder an opportunity to salvage and sustain that life without the unwilling mother's body and autonomy.
Then you have to iron out who will pay for this service? The mother who didn't want to child? The evangelical right that demands these children be born? Or just the government?
And then what about women who want to have children but don't want to give up their bodily autonomy for 9 months? Will they be given access to these artificial wombs? Where's the cut off occur?
More than 25% of former foster children become homeless within two to four years of leaving the system.
50% of adolescents aging out of foster care and juvenile justice systems will be homeless within six months because they are unprepared to live independently and have limited education and no social support.
So will adding hundreds of thousands of unwanted children to that system make it function better? I doubt it.
On second thought, maybe we should just, you know, allow women to abort pregnancies that they don't want. For everyone's sake...
One of the (many) bad things about this law is there is no exception for rape or incest.
But never to fear the Guv has it figured out!
This is an incredibly bizarre statement. When asked why sex assault victims who get pregnant have to carry to term under TX law, first Abbott says they have 6 weeks to get abortion, then says he is going to eliminate rape by arresting all future rapists. pic.twitter.com/OYFH11xT1G
(09-03-2021, 04:33 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Rape? Incest? What about if the life of the Mother is at stake during childbirth? What if the baby has such a terrible defect it'll only live for 2-3 days in excruciating pain with no cure available to sustain its life?
For rape and incest there is the morning after pill and I am also ok with early term abortions in those circumstances. Mother's life vs childs life the parents and doctor should make the call. Horrible defects/days of life/horrible pain before death........same thing........parents and doctor do what they feel is best.
(09-08-2021, 12:06 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: For rape and incest there is the morning after pill and I am also ok with early term abortions in those circumstances. Mother's life vs childs life the parents and doctor should make the call. Horrible defects/days of life/horrible pain before death........same thing........parents and doctor do what they feel is best.
So you support a woman's right to choose and abortion.
Great!
Then you clearly oppose this law. Good for you!
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