05-09-2018, 12:00 PM
(05-09-2018, 11:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Too bad Trump fans stopped reading after the first 140 characters.
You think he reads at all. That's adorable.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
The Iran deal
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05-09-2018, 12:00 PM
(05-09-2018, 11:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Too bad Trump fans stopped reading after the first 140 characters. You think he reads at all. That's adorable. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 12:13 PM
(05-08-2018, 11:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Remember when everyone was going to have to go back to dial up internet because of repealing net neutrality? Many pointed it out, but still, it is not fair to associate everyone critical of Trump with these opinions. I maybe held one of those in parts (Syria), and that's it and I guess the same goes for most people here. The rest of the world is appalled. That's me saying that, but sure what do I know. But would you say the US position on the world stage is strengthened or weakened by tearing up agreements for no reason, or let's say for forged reasons Netanyahu offered? Are other countries now more or less willing to work with such a partner? What's your educated guess. Also, do you think Iran is now more or less likely to develop a nuclear weapon. Every hardliner in Iran can now say, look we tried it your way, but we told you, the US is the enemy and no one we should rely on or trust in any way. And all the moderates can answer now is "..." Who will win that discourse?
05-09-2018, 12:29 PM
Was the agreement here ever binding? I seem to recall this discussion taking place at the time. It was never verified by congressional to my knowledge which would have put it on a more solid foundation. Could be wrong. But I seem to remember Iran calling this binding and many scholars saying it isn't...that a new administration could opt out.
05-09-2018, 12:32 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:13 PM)hollodero Wrote: Many pointed it out, but still, it is not fair to associate everyone critical of Trump with these opinions. I maybe held one of those in parts (Syria), and that's it and I guess the same goes for most people here. That's one big problem with the blowhard in the oval office. He just feeds the the hardliners by actually saying the things they said the US would say. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 12:33 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:29 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Was the agreement here ever binding? I seem to recall this discussion taking place at the time. It was never verified by congressional to my knowledge which would have put it on a more solid foundation. Could be wrong. But I seem to remember Iran calling this binding and many scholars saying it isn't...that a new administration could opt out. Because it was never ratified, it means it was the prerogative of the Executive to pull out as they see fit. But no one was really saying Trump couldn't so this, just that it was stupid to do so.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
05-09-2018, 03:27 PM
(05-09-2018, 04:57 AM)Dill Wrote: Never mind that every president since Washington has "put the USA first." Idc if any US president upsets world leaders. The lion doesn’t concern himself with the opinions of sheep. I do care when presidents show weakness. Which was a consistent obama issue.
05-09-2018, 03:31 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Because it was never ratified, it means it was the prerogative of the Executive to pull out as they see fit. But no one was really saying Trump couldn't so this, just that it was stupid to do so. Obama just cared about his legacy over everything else.... maybe he should have cared more about getting a good deal with real teeth.
05-09-2018, 03:52 PM
(05-09-2018, 03:31 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Obama just cared about his legacy over everything else.... maybe he should have cared more about getting a good deal with real teeth. It was a "negotiated" agreement. It was not terms of surrender. No way Iran would vow to never develop nuclear weapons when they are surrounded by enemies and Israel already has them. Everyone agrees this one was working. So what exactly needed to be "fixed"?
05-09-2018, 04:02 PM
(05-09-2018, 03:31 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Obama just cared about his legacy over everything else.... maybe he should have cared more about getting a good deal with real teeth. How was the agreement lacking real teeth? I'd like to hear your in depth discussion of it. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 05:07 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:29 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Was the agreement here ever binding? I seem to recall this discussion taking place at the time. It was never verified by congressional to my knowledge which would have put it on a more solid foundation. Could be wrong. But I seem to remember Iran calling this binding and many scholars saying it isn't...that a new administration could opt out. It really doesn't matter in Social Media. If folks dislike POTUS they are going to complain and if folks like POTUS they are going to cheer. Trump made no secret about the fact he intended to pull the US from the deal if elected POTUS. America spoke. I can guarantee you he had stayed in the agreement. The population now complaining would just be complaining about how he doesn't keep Campaign promises and those cheering would continue to do so and say he stood by America's word. In the real world he did exactly what he was empowered to do. But you are not going to get anyone to cross a line.
05-09-2018, 05:19 PM
(05-09-2018, 05:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It really doesn't matter in Social Media. If folks dislike POTUS they are going to complain and if folks like POTUS they are going to cheer. Trump made no secret about the fact he intended to pull the US from the deal if elected POTUS. America spoke. I can guarantee you he had stayed in the agreement. The population now complaining would just be complaining about how he doesn't keep Campaign promises and those cheering would continue to do so and say he stood by America's word. You got that right! and more voted against him than for him. Although I'd be interested in a poll of Trump supporters to see how many voted for him because of their problems with the Iran deal...lol. If Trump lived in the real world fewer of us would have anything to complain about though. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 05:35 PM
(05-09-2018, 05:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: You got that right! and more voted against him than for him. Everybody got more votes against than for. But you hold tight to that straw. You would only like to see such a poll so you could slur another population that put themselves there You sell short your ability to complain
05-09-2018, 05:52 PM
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR
"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
05-09-2018, 05:52 PM
(05-09-2018, 05:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Everybody got more votes against than for. But you hold tight to that straw. Clinton more votes for than Trump. I would like to see such a poll because some people around here like to claim that Trump got elected or this reason or that reason...and his supporters that I meet in real life never seem to know anything about those reasons. "slur" Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 06:02 PM
(05-08-2018, 12:34 PM)hollodero Wrote: Disclaimer, I'm not an expert on the deal, chances are it's a flawed one, I wouldn't dare say. Wait wait wait.. Europe is a country?
05-09-2018, 06:04 PM
(05-09-2018, 05:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: You got that right! and more voted against him than for him. Gotta win districts To win the numbers, to win the state.. The masses were all in the same districts so while they had overall # they didn't win the needed electorials.
05-09-2018, 06:08 PM
(05-09-2018, 11:49 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Too bad Trump fans stopped reading after the first 140 characters. LOL I was going to say--what Trumpster is going to check off all those points? Five lines in and its TL;DR. "Don't care what other countries think. People just like to complain. FoxHannityTrump say its a terrible deal. Time to put America first. Now we'll be able to stop them from getting the bomb."
05-09-2018, 06:09 PM
(05-09-2018, 04:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: How was the agreement lacking real teeth? I'd like to hear your in depth discussion of it. The Deal Prevented Concerted Action. The deal didn’t merely remove sanctions on Iran. It effectively blocked America’s allies from doing anything to stop the Iranian nuclear forward motion. If Israel and Saudi Arabia had attacked Iranian facilities, they would have been cross-ways with the United States and the Europeans. The deal effectively made Tehran an ally, and our real allies enemies.
05-09-2018, 06:14 PM
Quote:If we pull out of the Iran deal, next time a country does a deal with our president they will think it’s only good until they leave office. Which is good. Because that’s exactly the reality. Go through the senate if you want it to mean something else. This is exactly correct. Senate approval is a must if you want it. For the long Haul
05-09-2018, 07:11 PM
(05-09-2018, 04:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: How was the agreement lacking real teeth? I'd like to hear your in depth discussion of it. (05-09-2018, 06:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: The Deal Prevented Concerted Action. The deal didn’t merely remove sanctions on Iran. It effectively blocked America’s allies from doing anything to stop the Iranian nuclear forward motion. If Israel and Saudi Arabia had attacked Iranian facilities, they would have been cross-ways with the United States and the Europeans. The deal effectively made Tehran an ally, and our real allies enemies. https://www.dailywire.com/news/30392/watch-trump-just-shredded-iran-deal-here-are-5-ben-shapiro Quote:2. The Deal Prevented Concerted Action. The deal didn’t merely remove sanctions on Iran. It effectively blocked America’s allies from doing anything to stop the Iranian nuclear forward motion. If Israel and Saudi Arabia had attacked Iranian facilities, they would have been cross-ways with the United States and the Europeans. The deal effectively made Tehran an ally, and our real allies enemies. That's...just...sad. Unsurprising...but sad. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self. |
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