The issues that face the Nation

[*bfine32*]

The election is less than 2 weeks away and we never even discussed them. We should be ashamed as a people and a Nation.

[Mike M (the other one)]

What are you qualifying as talked about? in the Public or on here?

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2016, 11:57 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: What are you qualifying as talked about? in the Public or on here?

This place is just a microcosm of the public, but we were perhaps worse. Supposedly those that frequent this forum are aware of policy and the political issues that face the Nation and 99% of our election talk had nothing to do with policy. BengalHawk tried one (not sure his intentions were pure) and it barely made it to the second page. It ended with folks talking about Trump's looks.

[Benton]

Eh, I dunno.

Both parties have done an excellent job for decades to steer campaigns towards a couple issues. Discussion — both on this board and 'on the street' — has fallen in line with that.

Republicans:
— Abortion
— Immigration
— National security

Dems:
— Wages
— Education
— Civil rights

Now, the extent of discussion is debatable. It's mostly one side saying how the other side is all wrong about that issue, and standing in the way of fixing it. But that's part of a national problem. We've lost the ability to communicate, to discuss, to disagree, both in personal relationships and in public ones.

[Mike M (the other one)]

How about this, does anyone think there is any laws that need to be repealed that are on the books?

I'll start.
No US City/law enforcement agency should be allowed to protect/release Illegal immigrants that have committed crimes. NCIS/ICE/DHS should be notified immediately and the deportation process should begin.

[BmorePat87]

(10-25-2016, 12:58 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: How about this, does anyone think there is any laws that need to be repealed that are on the books?

I'll start.
No US City/law enforcement agency should be allowed to protect/release Illegal immigrants that have committed crimes. NCIS/ICE/DHS should be notified immediately and the deportation process should begin.

So a jaywalker is being detained by a local jurisdiction until ICE can come and throw them in a federal lock up until they get deported?

Or just major crimes?

[xxlt]

Based on a survey of the news/entertainment divisions of our largest corporations our issues, in order are:

1. Erectile dysfunction
2. Kim Kardashian's ass
3. Not enough people are asking their doctors for prescription medication
4. Who is appearing on whose sofa each night on late night TV

[Benton]

(10-25-2016, 12:58 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: How about this, does anyone think there is any laws that need to be repealed that are on the books?

I'll start.
No US City/law enforcement agency should be allowed to protect/release Illegal immigrants that have committed crimes. NCIS/ICE/DHS should be notified immediately and the deportation process should begin.

Normally I'm a fan of repealing more laws, but sometimes we need more. Like one that ties federal legislator pay to long-term economic health, and implements term limits for Congress.


As far as repealing those, that's state and local laws, not really federal, which is what I think bfine was referring to. As far as the theme of the thread goes, though, I don't care about illegal immigrants. If that's on a list of the top 15 problems facing this country, I'll almost always rank it 15th. Somewhere below local nuisance ordinances but above my interest of pardoning the White House turkey every year. It's a giant distraction from actual real problems the country is facing and the real stab in the eye is — as has been discussed on this board before — it's a problem that's easily solved. Fund ICE and DHs at the levels required to execute existing laws. That's it. If it takes 50 people to do a job efficiently, fund it at 51 instead of saying "we need across the board cuts" and funding it at 47.5 FTEs.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2016, 12:43 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh, I dunno.

Both parties have done an excellent job for decades to steer campaigns towards a couple issues. Discussion — both on this board and 'on the street' — has fallen in line with that.

Republicans:
— Abortion
— Immigration
— National security

Dems:
— Wages
— Education
— Civil rights

Now, the extent of discussion is debatable. It's mostly one side saying how the other side is all wrong about that issue, and standing in the way of fixing it. But that's part of a national problem. We've lost the ability to communicate, to discuss, to disagree, both in personal relationships and in public ones.

As to part one: Hit  the back arrow, read the titles of the threads, and then tell me do you see what you suggest.

As to part two: Let's take one of the issues you've suggested we (here and nationally) have discussed. What is the 2 main component's plans, without hyperbole? We don't know because each has just slandered the other; there has been no forthright discussion on the matter.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2016, 02:25 PM)Benton Wrote: Normally I'm a fan of repealing more laws, but sometimes we need more. Like one that ties federal legislator pay to long-term economic health, and implements term limits for Congress.


As far as repealing those, that's state and local laws, not really federal, which is what I think bfine was referring to. As far as the theme of the thread goes, though, I don't care about illegal immigrants. If that's on a list of the top 15 problems facing this country, I'll almost always rank it 15th. Somewhere below local nuisance ordinances but above my interest of pardoning the White House turkey every year. It's a giant distraction from actual real problems the country is facing and the real stab in the eye is — as has been discussed on this board before — it's a problem that's easily solved. Fund ICE and DHs at the levels required to execute existing laws. That's it. If it takes 50 people to do a job efficiently, fund it at 51 instead of saying "we need across the board cuts" and funding it at 47.5 FTEs.

Illegal immigration is not high on your list because it doesn't effect you. Now if you were an immigrant trying to enter this country legally, it might have some effect.

I just cannot see how folks can support an illegal activity. For instance if you are here illegally what is "wrong" with deporting you and take the proper steps for legal immigration? Also those that enabled your illegal activity should be punished.

An issue I feel that has been neglected is education, not the cost, but the quality.

[BengalHawk62]

(10-25-2016, 12:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This place is just a microcosm of the public, but we were perhaps worse. Supposedly those that frequent this forum are aware of policy and the political issues that face the Nation and 99% of our election talk had nothing to do with policy. BengalHawk tried one (not sure his intentions were pure) and it barely made it to the second page. It ended with folks talking about Trump's looks.

Dude, I was trying to be serious but you were having none of it. 

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2016, 03:06 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Dude, I was trying to be serious but you were having none of it. 

You may want to relook that thread and point out where I was having "none of it", as opposed to others taking it seriously.

Here I'll link it just incase you mis-remembered:




http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Trump-s-Qualities

[HarleyDog]

We need common sense in government. So far it has been nothing but bickering between the 2 candidates. Not many issues have been discussed. Either way we are screwed with our choice of who gets president here. To be honest, I thought we were a better nation than this. Donald Trump was right. The election is rigged. Only because we got these two monkeys to choose from. The liberals do not have the cash to compete in the media advertising and campaign contributions. We have let two parties build a monopoly on the political process and it will be an act of God moving mountains to change it.

However - this is one thing I believe our lazy millennials can change. Not this election, but going forward.

What kind of vote are you casting when you stand in front of the ballot computer and struggle with which poison you are going to elect, because your picking the lesser evil? This country is going bad and we are quickly turning into a government ran country. Sucks worse than a porn star on Sesame Street!

[Benton]

(10-25-2016, 02:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to part one: Hit  the back arrow, read the titles of the threads, and then tell me do you see what you suggest.

As to part two: Let's take one of the issues you've suggested we (here and nationally) have discussed. What is the 2 main component's plans, without hyperbole? We don't know because each has just slandered the other; there has been no forthright discussion on the matter.

I don't think the back arrow is going to help. Issues are too easily lost in the shortcomings of the candidates, both in the presidential election and throuhgout our federal government.

(10-25-2016, 02:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Illegal immigration is not high on your list because it doesn't effect you. Now if you were an immigrant trying to enter this country legally, it might have some effect.

I just cannot see how folks can support an illegal activity. For instance if you are here illegally what is "wrong" with deporting you and take the proper steps for legal immigration? Also those that enabled your illegal activity should be punished.

An issue I feel that has been neglected is education, not the cost, but the quality.

I don't have any issue with deporting people. Not funding immigration was a method (intentional or not) of reducing immigration. The problem is that created a backlog that is detrimental to those trying to get here legally and businesses who need certain skills (or just cheap labor). The response to that has been people coming  illegally and businesses either hiring illegals or — in the case of big companies like Disney or Trump — importing them on temporary visas.

If a system isn't working, I don't see the need in perpetuating it. That doesn't make me in support of illegal activity.

[*bfine32*]

(10-25-2016, 03:25 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: We need common sense in government. So far it has been nothing but bickering between the 2 candidates. Not many issues have been discussed. Either way we are screwed with our choice of who gets president here. To be honest, I thought we were a better nation than this. Donald Trump was right. The election is rigged. Only because we got these two monkeys to choose from. The liberals do not have the cash to compete in the media advertising and campaign contributions. We have let two parties build a monopoly on the political process and it will be an act of God moving mountains to change it.

However - this is one thing I believe our lazy millennials can change. Not this election, but going forward.

What kind of vote are you casting when you stand in front of the ballot computer and struggle with which poison you are going to elect, because your picking the lesser evil? This country is going bad and we are quickly turning into a government ran country. Sucks worse than a porn star on Sesame Street!

Early in the campaign I was going to vote for Trump because I felt it was the best way to stop Hills from getting the nod. I am at the point now where I no longer care which of the 2 sign the deal with the devil. Evan McMullin is on the ballot in my state and I will be checking that block; hopefully enough other check McMullin or Johnson to at least raise the eyebrows of the establishment.

I will pick Rand Paul for senate and looking back on it; he would have been the best candidate for President for all sides. He just threw me off early in the debates, because like I sure many Conservatives felt; he was too liberal. Hell maybe more so than Hills.

[Benton]

(10-25-2016, 02:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  
An issue I feel that has been neglected is education, not the cost, but the quality.

I agree.

Two thoughts on that. The first, you get what you pay for. If we continue to pay teachers as cheap as possible, we're going to continue to be competing jobs in that pay area for labor. You can go to 5-6 years of school, amass six figure students loans and get into a profession where you have to deal with constant red tape and parents, while paying about as much as if you don't go to school and enter a low skill trade. A lot of that comes from how we allocate funding.

Second, it's getting better. There are some pretty interesting approaches  taking place. Wisconsin has districts doing some pretty cool things. Unfortunately, it seems like whenever there's a step in the right direction on a national level, it stalls.

[Belsnickel]

I think my issue is that I have become a bit jaded with regards to policy from candidates, especially for POTUS. They all make promises that they really can't deliver because of constitutional limitations on their office.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(10-25-2016, 12:43 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh, I dunno.

Both parties have done an excellent job for decades to steer campaigns towards a couple issues. Discussion — both on this board and 'on the street' — has fallen in line with that.

Republicans:
— Abortion
— Immigration
— National security

Dems:
— Wages
— Education
— Civil rights

Now, the extent of discussion is debatable. It's mostly one side saying how the other side is all wrong about that issue, and standing in the way of fixing it. But that's part of a national problem. We've lost the ability to communicate, to discuss, to disagree, both in personal relationships and in public ones.

I can communicate fine, you raci--- oh, I see.

Jokes aside, it's because insults that used to be held in reserve because they actually had a damning meaning have now been flung around so freely that it's lost all meaning other than to try to win a conversation. Everyone is automatically racist/homophobic/islamaphobic/sexist/white supremecist/misogynistic bigots if anyone ever dares to disagree with someone now, it seems.

(10-25-2016, 01:55 PM)xxlt Wrote: Based on a survey of the news/entertainment divisions of our largest corporations our issues, in order are:

1. Erectile dysfunction
2. Kim Kardashian's ass
3. Not enough people are asking their doctors for prescription medication
4. Who is appearing on whose sofa each night on late night TV

Isn't the first issue generally fixed by the second one?   

[Belsnickel]

(10-25-2016, 12:43 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh, I dunno.

Both parties have done an excellent job for decades to steer campaigns towards a couple issues. Discussion — both on this board and 'on the street' — has fallen in line with that.

Republicans:
— Abortion
— Immigration
— National security

Dems:
— Wages
— Education
— Civil rights

Now, the extent of discussion is debatable. It's mostly one side saying how the other side is all wrong about that issue, and standing in the way of fixing it. But that's part of a national problem. We've lost the ability to communicate, to discuss, to disagree, both in personal relationships and in public ones.

This is a product of the parties not caring about shaping public policy. The political parties, the RNC, the DNC, any others, they have one goal: get their people elected. They will take whatever position is advantageous for them to achieve that goal.

[xxlt]

(10-25-2016, 03:25 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: We need common sense in government. So far it has been nothing but bickering between the 2 candidates. Not many issues have been discussed. Either way we are screwed with our choice of who gets president here. To be honest, I thought we were a better nation than this. Donald Trump was right. The election is rigged. Only because we got these two monkeys to choose from. The liberals do not have the cash to compete in the media advertising and campaign contributions. We have let two parties build a monopoly on the political process and it will be an act of God moving mountains to change it.

However - this is one thing I believe our lazy millennials can change. Not this election, but going forward.

What kind of vote are you casting when you stand in front of the ballot computer and struggle with which poison you are going to elect, because your picking the lesser evil? This country is going bad and we are quickly turning into a government ran country. Sucks worse than a porn star on Sesame Street!

Maria? Snuffalufagus? Mr. Hooper? Who blew you on Sesame Street? Inquiring minds want to know!