Trump admin rescinds Obamacare hhs contraceptive mandate

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 12:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Should my health insurance pay for my parachute if I want to skydive?

Sexual relations are 100% optional. Trying to equate, contraception to a healthy lifestyle is an insult to a healthy lifestyle. As I am unaware of the healthy lifestyle benefits from wearing an IUD.  

(10-11-2017, 12:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: IUDs can help women with regulating their menstrual cycle, reducing menstrual cramping, and other things. Same for oral contraceptives.

What he said.

Although, I would add to the bold, there's debate on that. Different cultures view it differently. For yours, it's optional. That's great. That doesn't mean it's the way everyone lives. You can hang onto your celibacy.

You view it as risky, unnecessary behavior. Someone who eats a cheeseburger every day, exercises little and downs a six pack is at higher risk for diabetes, heart disease and ED. Insurance covers all those. Do you want to police everyone's lifestyle choices? Or just women's?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-11-2017, 12:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Should my health insurance pay for my parachute if I want to skydive?

Sexual relations are 100% optional. Trying to equate, contraception to a healthy lifestyle is an insult to a healthy lifestyle. As I am unaware of the healthy lifestyle benefits from wearing an IUD.  

Sex during marriage is part of a healthy lifestyle.

These people are paying their premiums and copays. I don't think it is unreasonable for a paying customer to expect their health insurance to cover prescriptions.

Also, contraception like condoms actually helps prevent the spread of disease which actually is a part of a healthy lifestyle. To use your analogy, it's like soldiers using a parachute to descend to a DZ instead of jumping 500 feet AGL to their death.

[GMDino]

(10-11-2017, 01:02 PM)Benton Wrote: What he said.

Although, I would add to the bold, there's debate on that. Different cultures view it differently. For yours, it's optional. That's great. That doesn't mean it's the way everyone lives. You can hang onto your celibacy.

You view it as risky, unnecessary behavior. Someone who eats a cheeseburger every day, exercises little and downs a six pack is at higher risk for diabetes, heart disease and ED. Insurance covers all those. Do you want to police everyone's lifestyle choices? Or just women's?

I am a strong supporter of abstinence until marriage.  But I'm not foolish enough to believe everyone will be that way.  And I know many people who were/are very  responsible with their contraceptives because they understand the risks of their behavior.

And if we are to go with the "sex is optional" argument why cover viagra?

(10-11-2017, 01:07 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Sex during marriage is part of a healthy lifestyle.

These people are paying their premiums and copays. I don't think it is unreasonable for a paying customer to expect their health insurance to cover prescriptions.

Bingo.  The employer is presenting as they are paying it themselves.  

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 12:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: IUDs can help women with regulating their menstrual cycle, reducing menstrual cramping, and other things. Same for oral contraceptives.

Ah, you're talking about the 30th benefit of a hormonal IUD; I was curious how placing a foreign object in one's uterus equates to a healthy lifestyle.

As I have said before the mother's health is first. If the only method for correcting these issues that you mention are contraceptives then by all means insurance should cover. If one is simply looking for a "loophole" to obtain contraception then they should be ashamed of themselves, for not being forthright.

perhaps I'll do some quick research and find if there are alternate methods to help a woman with these issues other than inserting something inside them.

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 01:02 PM)Benton Wrote: What he said.

Although, I would add to the bold, there's debate on that. Different cultures view it differently. For yours, it's optional. That's great. That doesn't mean it's the way everyone lives. You can hang onto your celibacy.

You view it as risky, unnecessary behavior. Someone who eats a cheeseburger every day, exercises little and downs a six pack is at higher risk for diabetes, heart disease and ED. Insurance covers all those. Do you want to police everyone's lifestyle choices? Or just women's?

I would be curious to know what culture pushes intercourse for means other that to procreate.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-11-2017, 03:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would be curious to know what culture pushes intercourse for means other that to procreate.

Western society. In otherwords, our society.

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 03:10 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Western society. In otherwords, our society.

Noted that intercourse is viewed as not optional in Western Society.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-11-2017, 03:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Noted that intercourse is viewed as not optional in Western Society.

https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/sex-and-health

You might want to note sex can decrease your risk for heart attack. Point out where you wrote anything about sex being optional or compulsory in the post I responded to.

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 03:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would be curious to know what culture pushes intercourse for means other that to procreate.

Hopefully that curiosity will lead you to read up on cultures, customs, habits, stereotypes and beliefs. Good luck! 

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 03:14 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Noted that intercourse is viewed as not optional in Western Society.

So... just to clarify.

Sex — optional. Unwanted result should not be paid for.
Drinking too much, lack of exercise, bad eating habits — not optional. Unwanted result should be paid for.

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 03:26 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: https://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/sex-and-health

You might want to note sex can decrease your risk for heart attack. Point out where you wrote anything about sex being optional or compulsory in the post I responded to.

Well it would have required you to go back to the post that I was replying to when Benton said there are cultures in the US where intercourse is not optional. But you can play the word game if you think it adds to the discussion.

The only think that came to mind was cultures that would do so for the sole purpose of reproduction (which kinda dismisses the whole contraception thing). So I inquired as to what type of culture would make sexual intercourse not optional for reasons other than procreation. However, he has told me to find my own answer. I may take time to research and find such a culture who knows.   

As to sex being healthful: I'm sure there are health benefits to be derived. I gonna see if I can get my health insurance to buy me a nicer car so I can attract more women so I can lead a healthy lifestyle.

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 01:02 PM)Benton Wrote: What he said.

Although, I would add to the bold, there's debate on that. Different cultures view it differently. For yours, it's optional. That's great. That doesn't mean it's the way everyone lives. You can hang onto your celibacy.

You view it as risky, unnecessary behavior. Someone who eats a cheeseburger every day, exercises little and downs a six pack is at higher risk for diabetes, heart disease and ED. Insurance covers all those. Do you want to police everyone's lifestyle choices? Or just women's?

(10-11-2017, 03:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well it would have required you to go back to the post that I was replying to when Benton said there are cultures in the US where intercourse is not optional. But you can play the word game if you think it adds to the discussion.

The only think that came to mind was cultures that would do so for the sole purpose of reproduction (which kinda dismisses the whole contraception thing). So I inquired as to what type of culture would make sexual intercourse not optional for reasons other than procreation. However, he has told me to find my own answer. I may take time to research and find such a culture who knows.   

As to sex being healthful: I'm sure there are health benefits to be derived. I gonna see if I can get my health insurance to buy me a nicer car so I can attract more women so I can lead a healthy lifestyle.

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 03:33 PM)Benton Wrote: So... just to clarify.

Sex — optional. Unwanted result should not be paid for.
Drinking too much, lack of exercise, bad eating habits — not optional. Unwanted result should be paid for.

One person in this back and forth has introduced: Drinking too much, lack of exercise, bad eating habits. I have suggested in the past that reductions should be implemented for healthy lifestyle measures, such as diet and exercise. I just never thought about getting a reduction for notches in my bedpost 

[*bfine32*]

(10-11-2017, 03:59 PM)Benton Wrote:

Well I made to assumption that different than optional was not optional and I further assumed you were talking about the US; unless this National healthcare mandate is more widespread than I am aware of.

But then again you could have just been saying and it really had no context to the issue at hand.

[BmorePat87]

https://www.guttmacher.org/news-release/2011/many-american-women-use-birth-control-pills-noncontraceptive-reasons

Only 42% of pill users use the pill for only contraceptive purposes.

I assumed this was common knowledge to anyone who has lived with a woman.

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 04:00 PM)bfine32 Wrote: One person in this back and forth has introduced: Drinking too much, lack of exercise, bad eating habits. I have suggested in the past that reductions should be implemented for healthy lifestyle measures, such as diet and exercise. I just never thought about getting a reduction for notches in my bedpost 

Zing!

The callousness of casual sex. Which is relevant in part of the conversation, but not all of it.

Why can't it just be responsible family planning from a couple? Maybe they're young and plan to have kids... some day... but they can't afford them. Because kids are crazy expensive. So, they get jobs, go to work, have part of their pay check taken out and hope to use the services they paid for to plan their family. I'm not getting the extreme that only promiscuous people are using birth control, or that acting like a responsible adult is somehow a bad thing. 

People should wear their seatbelt in a car; if they paid for that car to have seat belts, it should come with them. People should eat a balanced diet and exercise at least moderately; if they paid for insurance to cover them in case they still develop health problems, it should pay for it. People should be responsible in planning families for a multitude of reasons; if they paid for insurance that can help with that planning, they should have access to it.

And I'll leave it at that. 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-11-2017, 03:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well it would have required you to go back to the post that I was replying to when Benton said there are cultures in the US where intercourse is not optional. But you can play the word game if you think it adds to the discussion.

The only think that came to mind was cultures that would do so for the sole purpose of reproduction (which kinda dismisses the whole contraception thing). So I inquired as to what type of culture would make sexual intercourse not optional for reasons other than procreation. However, he has told me to find my own answer. I may take time to research and find such a culture who knows.   

As to sex being healthful: I'm sure there are health benefits to be derived. I gonna see if I can get my health insurance to buy me a nicer car so I can attract more women so I can lead a healthy lifestyle.

I was responding to what I quoted, not to what I didn't quote. You would have to be playing some ridiculous "word game" to take my specific response to your specific remark in order to turn it into a response to another remark I wasn't responding to.

Health insurance doesn't cover nicer cars, but it should cover prescriptions. What prescriptions a patient is prescribed should be between the patient and their health care provider. The employer shouldn't have any role in dictating what prescriptions a patient will or will not receive.

[StLucieBengal]

(10-11-2017, 10:09 AM)Benton Wrote: If that’s you’re route, great. If it’s not mine, great. We used to be a country where you could go your own way. It’ll be nice when we get back to that.

We still can. You can still buy your birth control.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-11-2017, 05:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We still can. You can still buy your birth control.

These people are already buying health insurance. Therefore they aren't getting anything for "free." Why don't we try freedom and let the individual choose what they want for themselves? Personal liberty is probably a foreign concept to a faux libertarian.

[Benton]

(10-11-2017, 05:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We still can. You can still buy your birth control.

And they’re still paying for insurance, which is covering lifestyle choices that lead to health matters (heart diseas, diabetes, etc). A heart cath is available for purchase without insurance, too. Or insulin.