#WalkAway

[BmorePat87]

(08-15-2018, 01:36 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Who in the world would ever want to #walkaway from a political ideology that behaves like a school of piranhas? I can't imagine why anyone would want to distance themselves from that..

Apparently a ton of Trump supporters and Russians on Twitter want to walk away from liberal beliefs.

They saw Kathy Griffin and said “I can no longer support equality and ending legalized discrimination if a C-list celeb like this does too”.

[Shake n Blake]

(08-15-2018, 02:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: The bold are personal opinions with no basis in facts.


From 2002
https://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/23/nyregion/trump-draws-criticism-for-ad-he-ran-after-jogger-attack.html




While you don't want to go back "45 years" you say no one said he was racist then.  

A reprint from 1973:
https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/



He caved and did everything he was told to do that he wasn't doing....but he didn't have to "admit" guilt.  

Here's from from 1993:
https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/07/30/1973-meet-donald-trump/






By the way: That last article is so full of the "best words" that Trump still uses.  Trying to talk off the cuff and throwing out a word-salad of thing he hopes to get something to stick.  "Believe me"

Anyway you can't have it both ways:  You can't say "no one called Trump a racist until 2016" and also say "you have to go back 30-45 years to find times people called him racist".

Look, I can just tell you that your idea of strong evidence differs from mine, so I see no need to continue. 

(08-15-2018, 02:40 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Dino already responded to this pretty well, but I will just add that Trump's birtherism resulted in him being accused of racism quite a bit during the Obama years. We don't need to go far back at all, I just went to early examples to show just how long people have been calling him a racist.

Look, you want to believe he isn't racist, that's fine. There is a ton of evidence out there that point to it. Some has been brought up showing that you were incorrect to say it didn't happen prior to 2016. I'm moving on.

[Benton]

(08-14-2018, 09:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So this is "because Russia" too?

Where's Joseph McCarthy when you need him?

He's doing what he can between bringing back the Spanish Inquisition, going easy on Nazis and not worrying about Russian dollars flowing into Congressional campaign coffers.

(08-15-2018, 01:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not sure I understand your point here.

Are you saying that this "movement" was not spread by Russian bots?  Are you saying there is no proof of that?

The alt-right is employing a coping mechanism.

For years they were said you had to fear Obama and Clinton (and whoever else) because they were socialists and communists. Russia was evil, second maybe only to being a Muslim, and they bought into the right's preaching that everyone would be Russian Muslims if the GOP wasn't elected. And the alt-right fell in with the GOP because there are few things scarier than a Communist Muslim.

Everything was going smooth until they elected Trump, who's company was benefiting from Russian investments (how much, we don't know because he bucked the trend of releasing tax returns), whose family was in direct contract with Russian agents. It came to a  head a few weeks ago when Trump did the walk of shame out of Putin's place. 

They were going to console themselves with the fact that at least they still had their biggest voice for freedom being uninfluenced. Then Congress said "hey, NRA, you don't have to report your donors" right before everyone found out the NRA was chummy with Russia, too.

It's been a rough few weeks for the alt-right. Basically, all they can hang onto now is the time tested practice of denial.

Russia? There's no Russian ties to the GOP, NRA or Trump Co.! It's a hoax! The money trail, the arrests, the admissions of guilt? All deep state Obama stuff.

[fredtoast]

(08-14-2018, 11:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term refers to U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy and has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting from the late 1940s through the 1950s and characterized by heightened political repression as well as an alleged campaign spreading fear of Communist influence on American institutions and of espionage by Soviet agents.


Old Joe would be proud of many of you. 

I am not sure I understand what pint you are trying to make here.  Are you claiming that there are no reasons not to trust the Russians and that their political goals are exactly the same as the US?  Are you claiming that they did not try to influence the election and all of our major intelligence departments are just making up lies?

What exactly are you trying to say?  WHO exactly would Joseph McCarthy be proud of today?

*waits for Bfine to answer with some obtuse question that does not address anything I asked him*


BTW there is this interesting fact about Joseph McCarthy and Donald Trump....

During Senator Joseph McCarthy's investigations into Communist activity in the United States during the Second Red Scare, Cohn served as McCarthy's chief counsel and gained special prominence during the Army–McCarthy hearings.
Cohn was also known later for representing President Donald J. Trump during his early business career. He was disbarred by the Appellate Division of the New York State Supreme Court for unethical conduct in 1986.


Seems like Trump and McCarthy both think alike.

[SunsetBengal]

Just when you thought that #walkaway had dried up, and walked away...

March on Washington, this Saturday.

[ballsofsteel]

(06-29-2018, 06:43 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Wow, seems nobody enjoys a good spoof thread much these days.  Heck, I can remember a time in the not so distant past, that the P&R regulars could have had fun with something like this all day long.

Maybe that's the problem with both sides in politics today?  Everybody taking themselves so seriously that they forgot how to have fun.

Oh, and for the record, I think that wishy washy fruit cake is headed straight for the Bernie Sanders Socialist Party.  

Who, Lindsey Graham?

[SunsetBengal]

(10-24-2018, 07:17 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Who, Lindsey Graham?

I was thinking of a guy that goes by stones of rust prone material...   

[hollodero]

(10-24-2018, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: March on Washington, this Saturday.

#jobsnotmobs...

...I just read about half an hour what Breitbart folk have to say about bombing Hillary and Obama.
Ignorance and hate comes in all colours. But whoever can face said Breitbart challenge can't possibly believe leftist ignorance or leftist hate is the bigger issue. There's a cancer growing on the right, a vile and dangerous one, and it's called the alt-right and warrants a hundred marches before any #walkaway movement is warranted one.
Sure, freedom of expression, I do not doubt that. I doubt the motive behind it, and the priorities.

[SunsetBengal]

(10-24-2018, 08:04 PM)hollodero Wrote: #jobsnotmobs...

...I just read about half an hour what Breitbart folk have to say about bombing Hillary and Obama.
Ignorance and hate comes in all colours. But whoever can face said Breitbart challenge can't possibly believe leftist ignorance or leftist hate is the bigger issue. There's a cancer growing on the right, a vile and dangerous one, and it's called the alt-right and warrants a hundred marches before any #walkaway movement is warranted one.
Sure, freedom of expression, I do not doubt that. I doubt the motive behind it, and the priorities.

I always knew that you were a closet Breitbart fan.   :heart:

[Benton]

(10-24-2018, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Just when you thought that #walkaway had dried up, and walked away...

March on Washington, this Saturday.

If the bots march, who will be posting on Facebook?

[fredtoast]

(10-24-2018, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Just when you thought that #walkaway had dried up, and walked away...

March on Washington, this Saturday.

Do you really believe what he says in that video and that everything the media has reported about #walkaway is false?

[BmorePat87]

(10-24-2018, 07:01 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Just when you thought that #walkaway had dried up, and walked away...

March on Washington, this Saturday.

lol, "silent majority".

I imagine most of the people attending this haven't been in the DMV since they were waving their tiki torches last year. 

[SunsetBengal]

(10-25-2018, 07:20 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: lol, "silent majority".

I imagine most of the people attending this haven't been in the DMV since they were waving their tiki torches last year. 

You can deny it, and the biased media can ignore it.  Doesn't mean it isn't happening.  Understand, you follow the same media that convinced your crowd that DJT had only a 3% chance of winning in 2016.

[BmorePat87]

(10-25-2018, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You can deny it, and the biased media can ignore it.  Doesn't mean it isn't happening.  Understand, you follow the same media that convinced your crowd that DJT had only a 3% chance of winning in 2016.

No, I'm basing this off the fact that hashtags can be tracked online and the data found that the VAST majority of people promoting #walkaway were conservative accounts and bots. 

We had a whole back and forth about this where I provided the link with the data and you refused to accept it.

[fredtoast]

(10-25-2018, 07:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: No, I'm basing this off the fact that hashtags can be tracked online and the data found that the VAST majority of people promoting #walkaway were conservative accounts and bots. 

We had a whole back and forth about this where I provided the link with the data and you refused to accept it.

Facts don't matter in the echo chamber.

[fredtoast]

(10-25-2018, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote:  Understand, you follow the same media that convinced your crowd that DJT had only a 3% chance of winning in 2016.

That would be ALL the media.  Even hard core right wing FoxNews admitted that the polls showed that Hillary would win.

Meanwhile you believe a guy who said Obama was born in Kenya and that Russia never tried to influence the 2016 election.

[Benton]

(10-25-2018, 07:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: You can deny it, and the biased media can ignore it.  Doesn't mean it isn't happening.  Understand, you follow the same media that convinced your crowd that DJT had only a 3% chance of winning in 2016.

Walk Away is happening... but so is the "assistance" of Russian bots. So it's difficult to determine if many people are leaving the party, or if it's just one guy and the handful of stock images he didn't create. 

Russia seems intent to keep trying to promote the GOP, which is troubling. Especially since they're in favor of heating up the arms race again, which Trump, likewise, is in favor of. Because that's what two of the world's largest economies need: to borrow more money in an effort to arm themselves better than the other country.

[SunsetBengal]

(10-26-2018, 03:49 PM)Benton Wrote: Walk Away is happening... but so is the "assistance" of Russian bots. So it's difficult to determine if many people are leaving the party, or if it's just one guy and the handful of stock images he didn't create. 

Russia seems intent to keep trying to promote the GOP, which is troubling. Especially since they're in favor of heating up the arms race again, which Trump, likewise, is in favor of. Because that's what two of the world's largest economies need: to borrow more money in an effort to arm themselves better than the other country.

It will be interesting to see how many people actually participate in the march on Washington, tomorrow.

[fredtoast]

(10-26-2018, 03:53 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It will be interesting to see how many people actually participate in the march on Washington, tomorrow.

There will be a bunch of life long hard core conservatives that claim they used to be liberals.

Haven't you heard Bfine talk about what a "centrist" he is?  Many conservatives think their arguments will sound more legit if they claim they are not conservatives.  Many liberals do the same thing.

The one thing I know for certain is that no real liberal/progressive is leaving the party because they are getting too "mean" when the Republicans are lead by the most hateful President in history.  If they claimed they were leaving the Democratic party because they believed more in Trumps hate filled rhetoric then I would believe them, but it is a joke to claim they are leaving the Democratic party because it is too mean in order to follow a man who calls Mexican immigrants disease ridden rapist, calls women pigs, is beloved by white supremacist, tells his followers to assault people and he will pay their legal bills, and praises a man for being convicted of assaulting a reporter.  That is just absurd.

[Benton]

(10-26-2018, 03:53 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It will be interesting to see how many people actually participate in the march on Washington, tomorrow.

I dunno. If it's a lot, people will say it's supplemented with actors, if nobody shows up there will be some crazy claims that the liberals somehow barred people from attending.

Personally, I think the whole thing is a money making scheme. The guy set up a non-profit so he could solicit tax free donations. He's got his own clothing line already rolled out, and there's an Eventbrite page for the march selling tickets from $250 to $50,000 (the march itself is free, but if you want to attend any of the other stuff, it costs). Which is laughable. $50,000 to sponsor a Twitter user and a video feed of Herman Cain? I'd be surprised if Straka has ever voted, I think he's just looking for a job.