What’s worse for America

[Belsnickel]

(03-23-2022, 10:45 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: All I saw in that article was a Republican whining about Democrats. 

Ben Weingarten is a senior fellow at the London Center for Policy Research, fellow at the Claremont Institute and senior contributor to The Federalist. He is the author of American Ingrate: Ilhan Omar and the Progressive-Islamist Takeover of the Democratic Party (Bombardier, 2020). Ben is the founder and CEO of ChangeUp Media LLC, a media consulting and production company. 


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Care to show where the evidence that this laptop is real? All of his evidence is in a link behind a paywall. This isn't going to be a Mike Pillow evidence type of situation is it?

Again I ask . . .

Why would the cameras be down on that day?
The first person he thought to call was Rudy? 
Did I hear mis-information on those two events or is that the accepted narrative?

The laptop is real. The NYT has reported on its existence since late 2020 (which is why I take umbrage with the Newsweek piece, because it's lying). The questions about the laptop are really in regard to its authenticity because, as you fairly point out, there is some shadiness afoot.

Regardless of that, the laptop exists, is in the hands of investigators, and has been used as evidence since then which points to at least some level of authenticity. That's really what the laptop thing is all about that's surfacing right now. If people had actually been paying attention to this story and not the partisan hackery surrounding it, then they would have a better idea of it.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(03-23-2022, 11:19 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: In some minds it will never be real. Because it means they were duped. All the while the left was claiming Russian collusion.

https://nypost.com/2022/03/17/hunter-bidens-infamous-laptop-confirmed-in-new-york-times-report/

So you don't know why there is no video of Hunter dropping it off, even though the repair shop reportedly has 24/7 video. OK.

Do you know of any other time in history where the US president was alone with the Russian President without any US representatives or translators? I know it happened once without a translator and another time where the US President seized the transcripts and swore the translator to secrecy. Nothing to see here I guess and let's just forget about Helsinki. The most I've ever been embarrassed by a US President on an International stage. Or was that leadership in your eyes and ears?

Let's also forget about Trump walking to a podium at a rally and announcing that the US was pulling from the 1987 INF treaty with Russia, thus entering us into a new Cold War. Reportedly, no one in the government knew anything of these alleged violations and was completely caught off guard. Putin announces shortly later that the US violated the treaty and that they'll start new nuclear weapon research, now legal due to Trump's unsubstantiated claims. I wonder where Trump got the idea to do that? Maybe in one of those meetings without any record? Nah. Too convenient to only fit the Trump-Russia narrative.

If Hunter Biden is guilty, put him away . . . same with Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, Jared, etc.. I don't judge until the case is settled or finalized. Plenty of idiots think Hillary and Obama are guilty of something with Benghazi, yet for some strange reason, 8 or 9 straight Republican led committees got zero convictions and zero confessions. Did anybody try to vote out the Republicans from office that couldn't see what is so obvious to Right Wing media consumers? Nope. Plenty of people were convicted of lying about Russia. Why? One can easily assume that lying to the government is less of a crime than what they are covering up. And those are the one's that Trump didn't block from testifying. Last I heard, they were still battling in court for Don McGann's(sp?) testimony.

[masonbengals fan]

(03-23-2022, 12:26 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: So you don't know why there is no video of Hunter dropping it off, even though the repair shop reportedly has 24/7 video. OK.

Do you know of any other time in history where the US president was alone with the Russian President without any US representatives or translators? I know it happened once without a translator and another time where the US President seized the transcripts and swore the translator to secrecy. Nothing to see here I guess and let's just forget about Helsinki. The most I've ever been embarrassed by a US President on an International stage. Or was that leadership in your eyes and ears?

Let's also forget about Trump walking to a podium at a rally and announcing that the US was pulling from the 1987 INF treaty with Russia, thus entering us into a new Cold War. Reportedly, no one in the government knew anything of these alleged violations and was completely caught off guard. Putin announces shortly later that the US violated the treaty and that they'll start new nuclear weapon research, now legal due to Trump's unsubstantiated claims. I wonder where Trump got the idea to do that? Maybe in one of those meetings without any record? Nah. Too convenient to only fit the Trump-Russia narrative.

If Hunter Biden is guilty, put him away . . . same with Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, Jared, etc.. I don't judge until the case is settled or finalized. Plenty of idiots think Hillary and Obama are guilty of something with Benghazi, yet for some strange reason, 8 or 9 straight Republican led committees got zero convictions and zero confessions. Did anybody try to vote out the Republicans from office that couldn't see what is so obvious to Right Wing media consumers? Nope. Plenty of people were convicted of lying about Russia. Why? One can easily assume that lying to the government is less of a crime than what they are covering up. And those are the one's that Trump didn't block from testifying. Last I heard, they were still battling in court for Don McGann's(sp?) testimony.

 I don't know & I don't care how the laptop came into that shop. 

 What I do care about is the coordinated cover-up by our mainstream media weeks before that election. That combined with unprecedented mail-in voting is what got us to where we are now. A terrible president & an even worse option on the seat behind him. How anyone could vote for that tag team I'll never know. 

 Trump time is over. It's Biden's job now. 

 Look around...where are his accomplishments? What have they done that has benefitted American citizens ?

 I & what I believe is the majority of Americans only see failures.  Both domestically & abroad.

November can't get here soon enough.

 

[CloeHokie]

Lol. This is the same troll from the old boards. And People are still wasting their time replying. He's going to keep putting them up. It's been like 10 years or more of this. I can't remember his old user name but I recognize the icon and the troll rhetoric. Save your time. Peace and love to you all.

[Belsnickel]

(03-23-2022, 01:36 PM)CloeHokie Wrote: Lol. This is the same troll from the old boards. And People are still waiting their time replying. He's going to keep putting them. It's been like 10 years or more of this. I can't remember his old user name but I recognize the icon and the troll rhetoric. Save your time. Peace and love to you all.

Holy shit. Good to see you, Cloe.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

So throw out all common sense as long as the laptop exists. Got it.

And you're the one that brought up Trump. How anyone can vote for such an unqualified, illiterate dunce, I'll never know. And you're upset about corruption with the Bidens but look the other way with Trump? This is a troll job, right?

[masonbengals fan]

(03-23-2022, 01:36 PM)CloeHokie Wrote: Lol. This is the same troll from the old boards. And People are still wasting their time replying. He's going to keep putting them up. It's been like 10 years or more of this. I can't remember his old user name but I recognize the icon and the troll rhetoric. Save your time. Peace and love to you all.

Thanks for your thoughtful input. It's much appreciated & highly valued. 

[masonbengals fan]

(03-23-2022, 01:44 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: So throw out all common sense as long as the laptop exists. Got it.

And you're the one that brought up Trump. How anyone can vote for such an unqualified, illiterate dunce, I'll never know. And you're upset about corruption with the Bidens but look the other way with Trump? This is a troll job, right?

Common sense would tell me that the laptop is real & most likely the information on it is verifiable with enough time under the microscope. 

Do you have confidence that it's not ? 

You couldn't go 3 paragraphs in without referencing Trump in a Biden laptop discussion. 

[*Nately120*]

I thought the Hunter's laptop thing ended with Tucker Carlson saying they had the laptop but were opting to not pursue things further.

[kalibengal]

(01-26-2022, 11:21 AM)Interceptor Wrote: Send the illegals to Russia and let them invade the Ukraine.

the way this is going for Putin, he may need some help from MX. 
I predict  there will be documentaries on the "demise of a tyrant" on history channel yrs from now on how Putin miscalculated and ended up dead or exiled. 

[*Nately120*]

(03-23-2022, 04:22 PM)kalibengal Wrote: the way this is going for Putin, he may need some help from MX. 
I predict  there will be documentaries on the "demise of a tyrant" on history channel yrs from now on how Putin miscalculated and ended up dead or exiled. 

A fake tough guy leader who surrounded himself with yes-man overestimated his own power and led his country into ruin through his petty aggression and insistence that anyone who questioned him was an unpatriotic liar.

And we're probably going to respond to this by giving Trump 4 more years in office.  Live 'n' learn.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not wild about Biden but geez, Trump and Putin are so similar right down to their fake black belts.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(03-23-2022, 04:17 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I thought the Hunter's laptop thing ended with Tucker Carlson saying they had the laptop but were opting to not pursue things further.

I never got that far. Like I said, I asked my questions, didn't get the answers I felt would have verified the report and blew it off as more Trump campaign lies.

[*Nately120*]

(03-23-2022, 04:33 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: I never got that far. Like I said, I asked my questions, didn't get the answers I felt would have verified the report and blew it off as more Trump campaign lies.

Well, Tucker went on and on about this laptop from this evil criminal and he got it and then.....I'm not going to go further with this...oh, it's been found that I asked Hunter Biden for a recommendation?  Nothing to see here, folks!

And that was it.  I think that was it...I don't recall exactly.  I just filed it under either nothing or something and they'd all get away with it because, you know...watch out for them immigrants! 

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(03-23-2022, 04:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well, Tucker went on and on about this laptop from this evil criminal and he got it and then.....I'm not going to go further with this...oh, it's been found that I asked Hunter Biden for a recommendation?  Nothing to see here, folks!

And that was it.  I think that was it...I don't recall exactly.  I just filed it under either nothing or something and they'd all get away with it because, you know...watch out for them immigrants! 

Yeah, that next caravan has me all uppity!

[Dill]

(03-23-2022, 12:26 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote:  Plenty of idiots think Hillary and Obama are guilty of something with Benghazi, yet for some strange reason, 8 or 9 straight Republican led committees got zero convictions and zero confessions. Did anybody try to vote out the Republicans from office that couldn't see what is so obvious to Right Wing media consumers? Nope. 

See--proof that Clinton gets away with everything!!

THAT's what happened at Benghazi--Hilary got off!!

[Dill]

(03-23-2022, 09:53 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: https://www.newsweek.com/hunter-biden-laptop-scandal-ultimate-american-information-operation-opinion-1690293

A simple google search will lead you to this. 

Wow!

LOL just turning to a Fox commentator like Hannity or Brian Kilmeade will lead you to "this." 

The best vehicle for disinformation at this time appears to be to ground it in a claim that "elites" are disinforming us.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(03-23-2022, 02:37 PM)masonbengals fan Wrote: Common sense would tell me that the laptop is real & most likely the information on it is verifiable with enough time under the microscope. 

Do you have confidence that it's not ? 

You couldn't go 3 paragraphs in without referencing Trump in a Biden laptop discussion. 

The shop owner doubts your version of what you call common sense but I'm sure you'll find a reason to cry about fake news being suppressed.
https://www.rawstory.com/hunter-biden-laptop-misinformation/

and uh . . . my reference to Trump? That was a response to your whining about the Trump-Russia narrative. No wonder you're so confused about politics when you don't even understand the basic flow of a conversation.

[Sled21]

(03-24-2022, 07:27 PM)Dill Wrote: See--proof that Clinton gets away with everything!!

THAT's what happened at Benghazi--Hilary got off!!

Answer these questions: (I'll give you a hint in bold after each question)

Who bragged about killing Gadaffi, saying "We came, we saw, he died" then laughed, while the country became a hotbed for terrorists?

Clinton

Which office is ultimately responsible for Embassy and Consulate security, and who held that office at the time?

Secretary of State - Clinton

How many requests begging for extra security came in from Ambassador Stephens prior to his slaughter?

Numerous

How many of those requests were responded to?

None

How many other countries closed their outposts in Benghazi prior to 9/11 due to increased threat level, and who left theirs open with little security?

America was the only one left open


During the assault on the Consulate and CIA annex, how many requests for air support/and or a QRT were made, and how many were granted?

Numerous- None

Who then pressed a false protest narrative to keep people from realizing it was a terrorist attack by Ansar Al Shahera?

Clinton through Susan Rice

Who campaigned with a commercial saying "It's 3am, who do you want answering the phone when a National Emergency strikes?"

Clinton

Who answered the phone?


No one...


Yes, she got off. She is directly responsible for those deaths. The fact people are so flippant about it is sickening. And the fact NPR even says their listeners don't know about it just says it all....

https://www.clovisroundup.com/benghazi-attacks-the-story-no-one-talks-about/

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Do you know about the attacks that occurred in Benghazi, Libya in 2012?

Often the answer is no, but as it occurred on the anniversary of 9-11 and was yet another attack committed against the United States, it should be recognized.  On Sept. 11–12, 2012, the Benghazi Attacks, both in the U.S. Consultant and the CIA Annex, resulted in the deaths of four Americans: Christopher Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty.


According to Britannica.com, on the night of Sept. 11, about 150 Islamic militants from the Ansar al-Sharia, associated with Al-Qaeda, stormed the front gate of a U.S. compound and set fire to the outpost.

“We firmly believe that this was a pre-calculated, pre-planned attack that was carried out specifically to attack the U.S. Consulate,” said Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif, who told NPR, National Public Radio, on Sept. 16 2012.

As U.S. envoy Chris Stevens stepped into the ambassador role in Libya in 2011 as a result of Obama’s order to meet with Libyan officials “in search of Muammar Gaddafi’s weapons stockpiles [and] to open a cultural center.”


U.S. security personnel had recommended adding more security in the months before the attack; This request was turned down.


“Having an extra foot of wall, or an extra-half dozen guards or agents would not have enabled us to respond to that kind of assault.” said a State Department regional security officer in response to the attack.


According to NPR, two days before the Benghazi attack both the U.S. officials and Libyan Militiamen met to discuss the lack of security.

Hours before what occurred in Bengahzi, there were angry protests in Cairo that began as a response the an anti-Muslim video made in the United States.


The U.S. Consulate, where Stevens resides, reports being under attack at about 9:40 p.m., local time, by Islamic Militants on Sept. 11.

According to NPR, after the islamic militants gained access to the compound grounds, Stevens and an information technology specialist, Sean Smith, hid in a safe room inside of the compound.


Unfortunately, this followed the plan of the attackers as they set fire to the building these two men were in.


Jim Clapper, the director of national intelligence at the time, stated that the group of individuals who attacked the U.S. compounds were “a mob” of Islamic extremists.


This attack’s significance often goes hand in hand with the notion that there was not enough security for U.S. Ambassador Stevens.


According to NYP, New York Post, no one was en route to the outpost even after pleas were made for help.


When diplomatic security agents, federal enforcement who’s responsible for the security of Foreign Service personnel, finally arrive at the consultant they find Smith, who had died from smoke asphyxiation prior to their arrival, but are unable to find Stevens.

According to NPR, the surviving Americans, after searching for Stevens, evacuated the consultant to go to the nearby CIA Annex.

The survivors later find out that Chris Stevens was found alive by local libyans and was taken to the hospital by local libyans, where he was pronounced dead.


At about 1:15 a.m. on September 12, a rescue team from Tripoli arrived in Benghazi.


The team notified Hillary Clinton, Secretary of State at the time, that the Amercians needed to be evacuated at 2:00 a.m.

However, according to ballotpedia.org, there was another attack that broke out at 4:00 a.m. at the CIA Annex.

Two former Navy SEALs, Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty who were acting as CIA security contractors, were killed during this attack.

The surviving Americans and annex staff were evacuated to the airport and out of the country with the help of a Libyan militia.

The amount of American survivors filled up two whole planes. These planes took off around 10:00 a.m. on Sept. 12, nearly 12 hours after the first attack.

According to NPR, Libya’s president said he believes “Al-Qaida is behind a deadly attack in eastern Libya that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other U.S. staffers.”



Another important thing to know about this event is that it was the first violent killing of an American Ambassador since 1988.

“The White House and State Department faced withering criticism, accused of providing insufficient security at the consulate, of responding too slowly as the crisis grew, and of pushing the spontaneous attack explanation that appeared baseless,” said John Bacon, reporter for USA Today.


Obama, who was president at the time, alongside H. Clinton, faced most of the criticism.


On August 7, 2013, the U.S. The Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation announced charges were filed against several suspects, the only name announced public was Ahmed Abu Khattala, a Libyan militia member.


“We will continue our efforts to bring to justice those who were responsible for the Benghazi attacks,” said Obama.

Ballotpedia.org states that Khattala was charged with providing material support to terrorists, using a firearm in a crime of violence, and killing a person in an attack on a federal facility.



The U.S. State Department acknowledged on October 10, 2014, that the requests that were made for additional security in Benghazi were in fact denied.


“We were left behind. That’s just the truth. No support came. Period.” said Kris Paronto, one of the CIA security contractors at the CIA Annex.


ABC News released the results from a public opinion poll showing that 51 percent of Americans supported a congressional investigation, whereas 42 percent said they think there was enough investigation.


According to Ballotpedia.org, the investigation was not given a deadline to conclude.
There are many theories of why the attack on Benghazi occurred, who was involved, and how America was reluctant to send help to its own people, but at the end of the day all that matters is that we remember and recognize events like this so history doesn’t repeat itself.

Of course they don't, they are too smart to watch FOX.

[GMDino]

(04-13-2022, 09:25 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Answer these questions:

Who bragged about killing Gadaffi, saying "We came, we saw, he died" then laughed, while the country became a hotbed for terrorists?

Which office is ultimately responsible for Embassy and Consulate security, and who held that office at the time?

How many requests begging for extra security came in from Ambassador Stephens prior to his slaughter?

How many of those requests were responded to?

How many other countries closed their outposts in Benghazi prior to 9/11 due to increased threat level, and who left theirs open with little security?

During the assault on the Consulate and CIA annex, how many requests for air support/and or a QRT were made, and how many were granted?

Who then pressed a false protest narrative to keep people from realizing it was a terrorist attack by Ansar Al Shahera?

Who campaigned with a commercial saying "It's 3am, who do you want answering the phone when a National Emergency strikes?"

Who answered the phone?

Yes, she got off. She is directly responsible for those deaths. The fact people are so flippant about it is sickening.

Who investigated Benghazi, multiple times?

What were the results of those investigations?

I'll never understand why the new gop can't admit they were wrong or lost.  No wonder they worship Trump.

[masonbengals fan]

(04-12-2022, 08:33 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: The shop owner doubts your version of what you call common sense but I'm sure you'll find a reason to cry about fake news being suppressed.
https://www.rawstory.com/hunter-biden-laptop-misinformation/

and uh . . . my reference to Trump? That was a response to your whining about the Trump-Russia narrative. No wonder you're so confused about politics when you don't even understand the basic flow of a conversation.

News being suppressed its what got us where we are today. 

No confusion on this end. I voted for the mean tweet guy/Mike Pence instead of the geriatric imbecile/cackling hen.

Easy although not a ideal choice between those 2 teams. The results are speaking for themselves. 

Going to be even easier this November.