(06-28-2017, 08:53 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I didn't see any Republicans making that claim about the bill. I get what you were trying to do, but the ACA is not a bill, it is a law.

In all seriousness, though, I hate the ACA as well, so trying to turn that around on me won't work. I wouldn't trust any public social policy that came out of the Heritage Foundation.

(06-28-2017, 10:07 PM)Vlad Wrote:

(06-28-2017, 04:44 PM)GMDino Wrote:

I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don't watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 29, 2017

...to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year's Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 29, 2017

(06-29-2017, 03:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Meanwhile in reality... 

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world while spending a larger % of their GDP on unemployment benefits than the UK, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Italy, Greece, etc

Quote:The rate in practice

PolitiFact, our sister site, has looked at several variations on Bolling’s claim and ruled them Mostly True almost every time. The reason for the "mostly" qualifier is that companies aren’t actually taxed at the statutory rate.


Tax deductions -- on health insurance, pensions, and investment returns, for example -- allow corporations to reduce the pool of taxable profits. So economists often look at what they call the effective tax rate, which experts have told us is just as valid a measurement of corporate tax rates as the statutory rate.


But whereas the statutory rate is relatively straightforward and uncontroversial, different, reputable organizations have published very different estimates of the effective tax rate that corporations pay.


The most recent estimate comes from the World Bank and International Finance Commission, which put the United States’ effective rate for 2014 at 27.9 percent. That’s second-highest behind New Zealand among OECD countries and 15th-highest among the 189 countries measured.


In 2011, the Tax Foundation published a survey of 13 prior estimates of the United States’ effective tax rate from 2005 to 2011. All 13 studies pegged the U.S.’s rate as above average, but none had the U.S. rate first overall.
Another 2011 study by the Congressional Research Service put the U.S. effective rate at 27.1 percent, slightly lower than the OECD average of 27.7 percent.

(06-29-2017, 03:52 PM)GMDino Wrote: Meanwhile in practice:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/09/eric-bolling/does-us-have-highest-corporate-tax-rate-free-world/



I'd look into the second part but didn't see where that was listed anywhere.

(06-29-2017, 04:32 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 1. Politifact is part of the Tampa Daily, which is a newspaper in a Democrat county. Awarded by MSM, which is Democrat. That is like if FOX and Brietbart (which tried to autocorrect on my phone to brief barf, lol) awarded a fact checker that came from a politically leaning group. 
2. What you just posted is based off "estimates". On a site with the word "fact" in it. Lol
3. Even your posted estimates all have them above average.
4. My phone is being a little B on linking, but if you use Bing and search 'unemployment spending by country" it should be the second result. The numbers are from 2009, so relatively old, but I was fairly confident that 7 years of Obama didn't reduce that number. Probably raised it if anything.

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To keep myself on topic in this thread:

(06-29-2017, 04:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: They do link to their sources though.

Also...

(06-29-2017, 04:32 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 1. Politifact is part of the Tampa Daily, which is a newspaper in a Democrat county. Awarded by MSM, which is Democrat. That is like if FOX and Brietbart (which tried to autocorrect on my phone to brief barf, lol) awarded a fact checker that came from a politically leaning group. 
2. What you just posted is based off "estimates". On a site with the word "fact" in it. Lol
3. Even your posted estimates all have them above average.
4. My phone is being a little B on linking, but if you use Bing and search 'unemployment spending by country" it should be the second result. The numbers are from 2009, so relatively old, but I was fairly confident that 7 years of Obama didn't reduce that number. Probably raised it if anything.

(06-29-2017, 08:07 PM)Dill Wrote: Leonard, before checking party cards, you need to go to the data sources, like the Congressional research service and the World Bank.

Don't start from the premise the answer to data questions is always filtered through party agenda's first.  

(06-29-2017, 08:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or... don't use a FACT checking site that bases their argument that it is not entirely true on varying ESTIMATES.

Lol, that is not how facts work.

(06-29-2017, 08:26 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Or... don't use a FACT checking site that bases their argument that it is not entirely true on varying ESTIMATES.

Lol, that is not how facts work.

(06-29-2017, 03:47 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Meanwhile in reality... 

The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world while spending a larger % of their GDP on unemployment benefits than the UK, Sweden, Norway, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Korea, Italy, Greece, etc