10-27-2021, 05:56 PM
(10-27-2021, 05:38 PM)jj22 Wrote: Video's don't lie. People do, and I didn't take it as protests in the past decade (they've always been heavy handed to blacks protesters' tho see civil rights movement, and Rodney king protests amongst others. You may be shocked). I took it as the BLM protests of last summer.
So did I, as evidenced by my response that specified this.
Quote:I am insinuating that those who are fine with the politicized actions of our law enforcement shouldn't be because we have seen that tides turn and one day, the police force and judges will be majority Liberals and those who stood back and watched, applauded, and defended will wish they took more of a stand. Now I know that is not likely, but it happened in the past and it is one of the reasons disenfranchised people like African American's and Jews were saved from the horrid treatment they received. It wasn't because they fought for justice, it was because those who reaped the benefits of injustice saw the big picture and fought for the rights of the oppressed.
I'm not fine with politics influencing law enforcement, ever. The law is the law and it should, ideally, be enforced in an impartial manner. If a law is bad or unjust then change it, but that's not law enforcement's job, that's the job of the legislative and executive branch of government at any level.
Quote:Republicans have gotten away with tons of corruption in the last decade or so. Take stealing the SCOTUS seats, just to openly confirm someone 8 days before an election after telling the world you couldn't confirm a POTUS nomination nearly a year before the election. It happened, people ignored it, most who benefited applauded it. One day Dems will do the same and that is why even though it benefited people, they should have made a stance.
You can absolutely make an argument that they cheesed away a SCOTUS seat from Obama. While technically within the rules it was certainly underhanded. That is one seat, not multiple. Yes, I know where you're going with the Barrett nomination, but hypocrisy is not a crime, or every politician in the country would be locked up.
Quote:Take the Filibuster for example. It used to be you used to have to stand and give a speech non stop to hold the floor. Pee in a water bottle. Now it is weaponized and you don't even have to work for one. All is great for those it benefits, but one day the shoe will be on the other foot and they won't like it as much. That's why we should all fight to end it (or at least demand it be used how it was intended by making people work to filibuster).
We're really getting off subject here, but I'll continue. The filibuster both benefits and hinders both sides equally. One need look no further than Harry Reid's blunder regarding it to see how changing the rules because you can't get your way is a bad way to operate.
Quote:Take Gerrymandering. A GOP favorite. All is well and supported by those it benefits. One day it won't benefit them and they'd wish they stood against it to nip it in the bud for the sake of the greater good.
Both sides gerrymander.
Quote:We see it in our politics currently. Trump kids and the millions they made off of tax payers money. All was well when it was your (not yours specifically, in general to those who may be reading) party leaders kids. Now they cry about Hunter selling his paintings (that people have a choice to buy and it is the heart of our capitalize).
For some, sure. I don't know anyone on this board, well almost anyone, who fits that criteria.
Quote:Will you support Dems attacking the capitol if Biden loses? Will you support lawsuits and audits that waste our money (and find more votes for Biden!) if Biden loses the election?
No, just like I didn't support it the last time.
Quote:Will you claim the black teen that comes to a protest/riot with a hero complex and kills people.
Under the same circumstances, absolutely. My positions are not predicated on the ethnicity of the person being discussed.
Quote:Will you support the police for taking him out to dinner and ignoring him as he stands with this hands up begging to be held accountable as they run past him? If your answer is no, then now is the time to nip it.
You're teetering into hyperbole again here, this has been addressed in this very thread.
Quote:That's what people (those who benefit) do for the greater good. They see the standards being set and step up and join the fight for change. Not because they are traitors to the party, but because they understand that one day, the shoe will be on the other foot.
See, to me fair is fair. If the rules are the same and are equally enforced then the odds of there being a problem decrease. Of course, some rules can intentionally disadvantage a certain group, in which case those rules need to be changed so that is not the case.
Or, to quote Sam Elliot, sometime you eat the bar and sometimes the bar eats you.
