11-08-2021, 01:13 PM
(11-06-2021, 02:24 AM)Dill Wrote: No. I'm aware WI doesn't have stand your ground laws.
The "reasonable person" standard--I'm betting that in most of these self defense cases, jury selection is the most critical determinant of success for the defense. Think of the current Arbery trial, or Zimmerman before that. The judge in the former has already noted the racial bias in the jury selection, but the law doesn't allow him to do anything about it.
Jury selection is key in absolutely every single case that goes to trial, not just high profile ones. Picking people you think will be most sympathetic to your arguments is lawyer 101.
Quote:You might have predicted my response before you understood my point.
I posted two links about a "leftist" who shot a right winger during a riot, and claimed in an interview it was in self defense.
The case never made it to trial, as he was shot by police under questionable circumstances, rather than arrested.
Not a great example for you, as there's video of that person lying it wait to ambush the person he killed. Lying in ambush not only automatically voids any claim of self defense but it's also solid legal grounds for charging you with first degree murder. It is a good comparison in that Portland is yet another city were law enforcement had to sit on their hands. Like I said, that vacuum will be filled by something. Almost always something not good.
Quote:The reference to the Capitol violence in my response to your post was not an effort to compare which protestors are "worse" or "do it more," right or left, but to suggest we can no longer assume it is only "leftists" attacking police. As far as frequency, I'll grant that after Floyd was killed, there were more "leftist" riots in the U.S. But since 1/6, it is not a given that will be the norm for 2022, as Fox and friends foment midterm election challenges.
Supposition has been your key approach in this thread, so I suppose a little more won't hurt. I'm definitely much less concerned about right wing protestors, I've never had one spit on me, scream in my face, thrown bottles and stones at me, etc. and I have numerous friends throughout the country with almost identical experiences. Odd.
Quote:Also note the qualifier "sometimes" in my original post, as in Police don't everywhere and always see armed groups of white men as welcome help during civil unrest. Wherever they do, they are exercising bad judgment.
I think for a guy on the ground any friendly face in a sea of angry, violent rioters is a welcome site. But, this has nothing to do with the actual trial, just an attempt to paint law enforcement as irretrievably biased, so I'll be leaving it at that.
