11-12-2021, 08:28 PM
(11-12-2021, 07:52 PM)Dill Wrote: LOL No one declares points settled because no one is questioning them. You were declaring yours settled BECAUSE people continued to question/refute them, as I am doing now. And you are still doing it, as the last bolded shows. You get to digress on media responses to BLM and Michigan protests; I am "meandering off topic" if I respond.
And someone HAS attempted to refute your mob claim with facts. That's what the links to video showing ONE person chasing R were about. Why do you keep saying that holding to your face the video evidence that counters your interpretation is not an attempt to "refute your points with facts"? (The appropriate quip response would be "because it's not," with no explanation.) You cannot dodge that by claiming the video is not related to the case or that I'm engaging in a "semantic argument" because I don't think one guy is a "mob."
Even two is hardly a "mob," but I don't grant your claim the guy who fired the handgun was pursuing R. He was walking parallel to the street. Rittenhouse crosses the parking lot 30 yards in front of him, running. The handgun shooter isn't pursuing anyone. He's just there, like those "trailers" R runs past. That's a "fact based counter point."
(11-12-2021, 07:56 PM)Dill Wrote: Sure, at a general level, Bels agrees with you on many 2A issues, and like you, he doesn't appear to have a problem with how the law favors self defense in this case.
But it is false to say I have not responded to him "in kind," if that means disputing his take on the trial and "points not related to the case," like political-theoretical questions about 2nd Amendment rights. I have put for more time and thought in my responses to his "off topic" posts than anyone else's. (See posts # 206, 213, 223.)
So far as I know, Bels has not defended your "mob" thesis, nor told me that I am acting in bad faith and silly for disputing it, and otherwise explained my position in terms of personal character flaws. And he doesn't claim no one is attempting to refute his arguments with facts while they are doing exactly that, then claim he is done talking because no one engages the facts. Jeezus. So his generally thoughtful and respectful demeanor on this thread, focused on argument rather than person, hardly mirrors yours.
Thus you can't really argue that you and Bels are "mirror images" on this thread, and that I am only addressing your posts because of "the person making it"--as if bully dill were just roaming the playground looking to pick on the odd kid.
There might very well be a connection between your personality and the form and content of your arguments, which leads you to salt them with ad hominem and to constantly invoke standards you don't follow yourself, but I don't go there. My responses to you always remain focused on the logical consistency and evidential quality of your arguments, not your character. So in your case, I am responding, yes, but not "in kind," thus always "keeping with [my] stated objective to argue a case based on merit and not on personality."
To quote you, LOL. There is nothing new here. You have provided absolutely nothing of substance in this thread. You have ignored basic facts. You have gotten basic facts wrong. You have asked for proof of things you were already given at your request. Your performance in this thread is on par with the prosecutor on the actual case, for the exact same reasons. Your refusal to address actual facts, instead focusing on minutiae that you feel you can nitpick, is both tedious and boring. I have taken great pains to avoid making things personal, you have not.
In short, you're boring me with your endless repetition of the same points that have already been refuted. I might ask for a little introspection on your part, for you to realize that your conduct in this thread is exactly what you decry about the sub-forum in general, but I think that would be wildly optimistic. I, for one, am done addressing your irrelevancies, speculation and conjecture. I'll stick with facts, logic and evidence. Enjoy your weekend.
