02-12-2016, 08:07 PM
(02-12-2016, 08:10 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: They want reparations from their own country that allowed their ancestors to be treated like property for generations. How are they going to get reparations from nations form well after the end of the Atlantic Slave Trade?
That also implies an equal partnership between African tribes/kingdoms and Europeans and downplays Europe's role in establishing this industry. Equating the existence of slavery in Africa to the industry it became with Europeans is like comparing subsistence farming to corporate farming and suggesting that these smaller farmers who were forced into selling out or working for the corporate farms are equal partners in trade.
(02-12-2016, 08:36 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: You are reaching here.
Blacks don't want reparations from the US, they want it from the White US. If blacks were the majority leaders in the US, they wouldn't want reparations.
So are you denying that the slaves were not bought and paid for? You really think that white men were hanging around with nets, ready to grab unsuspecting blacks? Europeans had slaves, the slaves they had were white, I don't think anyone denies that slavery has been a part of European history.
However, slavery wasn't invented by whites. The pyramids in Egypt weren't created by volunteers, nor where they paid workers either. Slavery is a part of every races history. Your analogy doesn't fit, since it implies that the African tribes and kingdoms were forced into providing slaves, and that they weren't just looking for a way to sell their own people to make a quick fortune.
(02-12-2016, 07:35 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Hold up, sparky. I just said you seem to have not understood my post. I would suggest that you reread it and address what I said, not what you believe I said.
You were arguing against a number of points I did not make. Given the fact that I saw you call someone else out for a strawman, I am assuming you were not doing the same in response to my post. Maybe you were, though.
So then let us go back and take a look.
Nope: You claimed that blacks only want reparations from there own country that treated their ancestors poorly.
I refuted that and pointed out that blacks don't want reparations from black US, only white US. If blacks were the majority influence in the US then they wouldn't say anything about reparations. Dino even suggested that they wouldn't need to because, and I am assuming here, he would feel that "Justice would be served".
You then suggested that the slave trade was not an equal partnership and that the black tribes were somehow forced by the Europeans to partake in it. You say that it downplays Europe's role in establishing the slave trade (this is strawman here, since I didn't downplay it, I was only highlighting that it wasn't just European's involved).
Based off of that suggestion, I asked if you thought white men hung out with nets? (this is that hyperbole that Dino likes so much)
I then conceded your statement that Europeans had been involved with slavery before the African slave trade, by mentioning how they had white slaves. (see I am conceding your point, as in stating that you are right about this)
I finish up though with a point that while white Europeans did in fact have slaves, slavery itself was around for a long time by mentioning a culture in Africa that utilized slaves long before Europe was in the history books.
I then pointed out how your analogy doesn't fit due to the implication that the tribes were forced to be a part of the trade, as opposed to be force out, like the farmers in your analogy.
So unless you are using different definitions for your words, that I am unaware of, then I am pretty sure I understood your post.
