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Intermediate step to beginning of life uncovered
(06-18-2015, 05:48 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Get a rope and hold it horizontally in front of you between your two hands. The rope near your left hand represents your past and to the right your future, the center is the present.

Now make a loop.

Where the loop intersects is where your past and future intersect the present. That point represents God's knowledge of what you did before you did it while in the present. That is nonlinear thinking.

Arguing God is omniscient but chooses not to know the future is like holding the rope out in front of you and pretending the right half of the rope doesn't exist. That is linear thinking.

Also, if a god is omnipotent the god is also omniscient. You can't be omnipotent if you're not omniscient, also. So if someone calls a god  omnipotent they are omniscient by definition. Whereas a god can be omniscient, but not omnipotent.

Not exactly. A line in a circle is still a line. It's still linear, you're just bringing those ends together.

Think instead of a sphere. Pick a spot and hold your finger on it. If your finger is big enough or fast enough you can touch the entire surface of the sphere at the same time.

That's God. Touching the entire sphere, all those points in time, at once.

God knows all the surface of the sphere, all those points in time, because he's touching them all at the same time. Beginning, end and everything in between, it's the same moment.
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RE: Intermediate step to beginning of life uncovered - Benton - 06-18-2015, 05:56 PM

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