02-19-2018, 02:49 PM
(02-19-2018, 02:26 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I mean the Taliban was expelled from power in a foreign nation within a month. Sure they still exist as an insurgency after regrouping years later, but they're in no position to overthrow a government and that's a huge difference.
If only they had no ability to exert political force. They exist as a strong, and constant, threat. The point being that, despite having none of the equipment that we were just told by our resident military experts inform is is necessary to fight, the Taliban still exists. This is despite fighting the most well equipped, technologically advanced and strongest military in human history.
(02-19-2018, 02:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think my biggest issue with the conversations about these children is that were they saying something different, then the right would be carrying them on their shoulders and the left would be saying they don't know anything. I just think they should be allowed to speak. I personally don't give anyone's opinion much gravitas unless it is backed up with evidence, but I'm a bit different of a person than most in that regard.
Oh, to be certain, which is why I brought of Scalise. The man was nearly murdered by a crazed politically motivated gunman and didn't shift his opinion on firearms at all. This is because his opinion on the matter is ground in firm conviction, not emotion. In the same manner as you describe, his opinion is completely discounted by those who oppose his position.
(02-19-2018, 02:31 PM)GMDino Wrote: That's first class, olympic ice skating level spinning SSF.
The fact that you just randomly say "For most I'll bet there's a small bit of that in their mind." doesn't make it true.
This is an inane argument as it could absolutely be made with the point of yours that I responded to.
Quote:And every single person who bought a firearm had a "reason". Every one of them. Hunting, personal protection, target shooting, collectibles, etc.
The amount who truly believe they will defend themselves from the big bad government is miniscule. You know it.
I didn't say they didn't have a reason, I said they didn't state their reason, which was exactly what you said. I possess rounds of ammunition that I hope to never use. That doesn't make my reason for purchasing said ammunition less valid. As to your last point, explain all the "liberals" who bought firearms since Trump was elected?
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38297345
Quote:Buzzz. Strike two.
Do you think that when the "guberment comer fer yer gunz" it's gonna be with rifles?
I know how a search warrant is executed. Please don't even try and have this argument with me, you have zero expertise or knowledge in this area.
Quote:Please just stop with the inane "I know more than everyone" discussions you always end up using.
I don't know more than anyone, I know a hell of a lot more than you.
Quote:This guy is actually in the military. He actually knows that he needs his gun for what he has to do. He also knows that your average Joe doesn't.
Learning from Fred now are you, responding to an point no one made. I pointed out he didn't make the same argument you did, he said you don't need an AR15 for hunting. For hunting deer of larger prey I wouldn't use an AR15 either, the .223 ammunition they us are designed to wound, not kill. This alone makes it a poor hunting choice. What it is used for is varmint "hunting", with prey such as coyotes. I don't live anywhere near a place I could go hunting. A friend lives in Oregon and I'd use my lever action 45-70 Marlin if I go hunting with him.
Quote:Just like the lady who wrote the blog. Actual people who know more than me AND you. Who actually know that the army has bigger and better weapons that would be used.
I guarantee I know more than the person who wrote the blog you didn't bother linking. If she tried to make the argument that no Apache means no chance then she's clearly an idiot who shouldn't be taken too seriously. What I find especially interesting is that you consistently do, to me, what you just accused me of doing to your "sources". I know more about the criminal justice system and law enforcement than anyone on this board. Yet, my opinion on these issues is constantly discounted by people like you due to my not sharing your political sensibilities. When Jim Breech and I had a disagreement about m855 ammunition being used for home defense was I, at any time, at a loss? Jim knows way more about being an infantryman than me, but I'd say our firearms knowledge is rather equal.
Quote:And with AAALLLLL that being said I never said I was for taking your guns. I said that the people who use that argument never thought that when they bought their guns. And they'll never use for them for that purpose.
I certainly hope that no firearm in this nation will ever be used for this purpose. I, sadly, don't think you can say that it's impossible that it ever gets to that point.
