Mass shootings

[Belsnickel]

(02-19-2018, 07:14 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I can't speak to state laws outside of CA, I'm not expert in such matters and they can vary quite a bit.  Generally, the only time a NICS check is not required is when one private individual is selling to another.  Gun shows, to my knowledge, require a NICS check.  The real bottom line is people are calling for laws on guns when the system didn't even work as designed because of mistakes at numerous levels.  Both the recent church shooting and this one should not have occurred if actual laws and procedure were properly followed.  That they did not is a combination of human error and deliberate policy, not gun related policy either.  it's very possible that, if things had gone as designed, then both this shooting and the church shooting would have been prevented.

I just noticed this. Gun shows vary state-to-state. Virginia, for instance, you are only required to obtain a background check if you are a licensed dealer, but it is not only licensed dealers engaging in sales at gun shows.

The mistakes you talk about are one reason why I actually advocate in my policy options for a more localized version of a background check system. Yes, there should be a federal database, but studies have shown that the more localized the background checks the more likely they are to catch things. State is better than federal, and county/city is better than state. The reason for this is that your local law enforcement is more likely to know something about an individual than the state or fed. Of course, all of this would take money, which I think should be a block grant situation for communities to provide resources to set up something like this.

I have a somewhat detailed plan that works to minimize the additional work on local law enforcement while acknowledging it will be more work, providing the resources to do it, combines a built in waiting period (which is one gun control measure that is actually effective, especially with suicides), and has the potential to hold gun owners responsible if they fail to follow the proper procedures and their firearm is used in a crime. No national, or even state, database of firearms owned. No limits on what types of firearms (even though I have my own opinions on that).