02-23-2018, 12:10 AM
(02-22-2018, 04:15 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, it really doesn't. The pro-gun side does not make up statistics or deliberately lie. They are generally very clear and up front with their goals.
Most of what you just described are opinions. They may not be backed up by hard data, but that's never stopped anyone from having an opinion on something. What you didn't just describe is what I did in the post you quoted, the deliberate falsehoods constantly spread by the anti-2A crowd. Having a total numbers versus a per capita argument is not the same as deliberately falsifying data.
I agree, in theory. However, this can never happen until the anti-2A crowd is honest about what they really want. I live in a state in which the constant creep of further regulation is consistent. They are now confiscating lawfully purchased property. Any pro-gun person need only look to CA to see an "endgame" for the antis, and it is an unacceptable result for most, if not all.
We do? What exactly are these steps the we all (generally) agree on?
I will never understand why people such as yourself and Matt even bother responding to him. GM, Dill and Fred do so as he's low hanging fruit. They can beat him up with arguments that wouldn't work on an informed and serious person and then feel good about their "victory". Just ignore him, you'll find yourself happier for it. I do the same thing to Fred when he goes into full toast mode.
Somethings I'm willing to ignore like high capacity magazines don't affect rate and volume of fire or organizations like the Crime Prevention Research Center don't lie. While other things I'm not willing to ignore.
