02-23-2018, 12:31 PM
(02-23-2018, 10:47 AM)GMDino Wrote: So the officer wasn't a good guy?
All seriousness aside, there was someone there, with a gun, who did nothing. Yet the first suggestion given is/was to arm teachers.
Just yesterday the head of the NRA finished his speech with the talking point that the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
He just forgot to add a good guy with a gun who does his job.
And that is someone who I assume was trained on how to handle such a situation. And I'll assume he had more training than a teacher will get.
No, this officer/deputy wasn't a good guy. A good guy would have gone in and done something, even if it wasn't their job. Training absolutely helps, but personality goes a long way in how someone will react in a situation like this. I can say personally there is zero chance I wouldn't have engaged the shooter. I can also virtually guarantee you there is a teacher at that school, like the football coach, who, if armed, would also have done something. I'm not advocating arming teachers, I'm simply pointing out that there's definitely a teacher at that school who would have reacted more aggressively than the deputy who did nothing.
(02-23-2018, 11:00 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: This is related to those differences between California and the states most of the rest of us are from. The director at a non-profit which I am on the board for took a cross country road trip last year. Both she and her fiancee are rather liberal, but our brand of liberal, so also gun owners. Her fiancee actually owns his father's old service pistol (I say old, it's a SIG P229), which his father sold to him after he bought it upon retirement from the Virginia State Police. He has a concealed firearms permit and did his research on reciprocity, making sure to follow all laws.
While they were in California, they got pulled over for something by CHP. If I recall correctly that were speeding, but it was because there was a separate speed limit for pulling a trailer or something. I don't remember entirely, but I remember it not being something that we have laws about around these parts. Anyway, he had the firearm and ammunition separate, all locked away, out of reach, etc., but, because he wanted to be honest he told the officer that he had a firearm in the vehicle, explained the details, etc.
What happened next was what really displayed the difference between California and Virginia. They wanted to verify ownership. Well, there is no way to do that. The original sale was to the VSP. After that, there is nothing on record. They kept asking for proof of ownership, how he got it, etc. He kept explaining that in Virginia there is no tracking on that. When his father purchased it, there was no record. When his father sold it to him, there was no record. There is not going to be any record of this, ever. That's how Virginia operates. The CHP officers just did not believe this. They were incredulous that this was the case, even after talking on the phone to someone at VSP. They finally decided they were confiscating the weapon and that VSP had to put in the request to get it back, and at that point this guy could work it out with VSP. It's been over a year since then, they are still fighting through this.
CHP is notorious among other agencies for being unreasonable. They are generally very professional but also very by the book to the point, at times, of absurdity. While I applaud your friend's feeling of civic duty, he would have been much better off saying nothing about his firearm. IN regards to his firearm, it's illegal in CA to own or possess a firearm that isn't on the approved hand gun roster. You can find the roster here.
https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns
If the gun is not on the approved roster, and the SIG P229 your friend owns may not be (yes it's specific to the model number of the 229 as well, BTW I own one and I love it), then only a sworn peace officer can possess it within state limits. The purpose of the roster is utter crap, but that's a whole other can of worms. So, by state law, the CHP officer was precisely doing their job, the handgun in question was likely illegal for your friend to possess in CA.
(02-23-2018, 11:34 AM)Griever Wrote: im so glad we had a good guy with a gun on campus to stop the shooting
wait, no, we had a sherrif deputy on campus who was too busy hiding behind a stone pillar to do anything about what was going on inside
***** coward
Indeed. It's very possible that guy could have saved the lives of numerous students. Even knowing he was being fired at would very likely have caused the shooter to flee the scene. This dude froze at the moment of truth and I'm sure it will haunt him forever. It should.
