Hoda Muthana

[Dill]

(02-26-2019, 11:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dill Wrote: LOL you "hope" that I'll condemn ISIS unequivocally--because I have given people so much reason to doubt that? Also I don't think they are an "Islamic cause" any more than white nationalism (which I hope you'd be willing to condemn) is an American cause.

 ISIS clearly is an islamic cause as its tenants spring directly from the teachings of islam.  All kaffirs should be subjugated or converted (by the sword if need be!), taking slaves is permissible (if not encouraged).  You can certainly argue that it's a perversion of islamic teachings, but you absolutely can't logically deny that ISIS and it's tenants are directly supported by islam.

You are also correct that white supremacy is not an American cause as there are "white people" all over the globe.

Maybe a clearer analogy would be the KKK, who aren't all over the globe. Their founders claimed the KKK's tenets sprang directly from the US Constitution.  In that document, owning slaves is permissible (if not encouraged), and some important Supreme Court decisions have agreed. 

So framing ISIS is an "Islamic cause," whose tenets spring directly from the the teachings of Islam, doesn't clarify the legacy of Islam today any more than framing the KKK as an American cause, springing directly from the US Constitution, clarifies the legacy of the Constitution today. 

There is probably no need to continue reminding people that ISIS is bad or hoping that people in this forum condemn it "unequivocally."

(02-26-2019, 11:26 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:

Quote: Wrote:In short, I don't see any useful point in setting a MAGA smirker who spiraled into prominence on an amateur video beside a case brought before the world by news media seeking to report and inform--and then arguing over who got a "pass."
The proper distribution of vilification between these two may eventually become interesting to me as a register of MAGA grievance against the "unbalanced" liberal press, but I am just not there yet.

You wrote this in bold so I assume it's really important to you and I read it multiple times to ensure I absorbed every ounce of nuance and meaning available.  Having done so I am forced to come to the conclusion that you have completely missed the point.  That there are people who are more sympathetic to a woman (which I'm sure has nothing to do with the sympathy at all) who willingly joined a vile terrorist organization that burned people alive, beheaded children, engaged in mass rape and drown people in cages, then they are to a kid who wore a MAGA hat and "smirked" at a Native American guy is a rather telling of the mindset of some people in our society.  Oh, lest I forget, some of the kids in his group were acting insensitively by doing a "tomahawk chop".  That alone may explain the enhanced level of outrage.  

If you want to get me there, then you have to show me a journalist, or public official, or anyone, who first expressed outrage at the MAGA smirker, but was then "more sympathetic" to the woman you associate with beheading children (and whom you would turn over to someone who gasses children), but whom we so far still know little about, even if she "chose" to join ISIS.

You appear to be following the lack of vilification much more closely than I am. Can you provide examples of how Muthana gets a "pass" or "the benefit of the doubt" or "absolution"?  Is it mere ABSENCE of vilification in the reportage which bothers you here? There should be some because some people criticized the MAGA kid and beheading children is worse?

Right now I just see two different news cycles, generated by quite different people, events and issues, which have for you somehow congealed into a symbol of injustice or unbalanced reporting. I don't understand why you are looking for this light comparison when other weightier issues follow from Muthana's case.  Or I don't understand why you find the MAGA comparison weightier than the legal ramifications of repatriating a one-time ISIS supporter.  For me, that ISIS drowned people in cages doesn't connect coverage of Muthana to Sandman right away.